that would work george as andy said its getting the rest to agree and carry it through pal im willing to try anything that will help our yb losses been thinking about training half and racing half for the past few years if nothing changes thats what il be doing to date i have lost 30 yb racing and only two training and thats with three tosses every week its a no brainer for me 28 tosses lost two five races lost thirty if i dont get anymore back one of our problems is getting pigeon men to tell the truth about there losses the guys that are an hour behind the winner but got them all home brigade and are down the next week with a six bird basket lol every clubs got them