to true roland i knew guys that said they could stop and start any manual clock if they wanted also know of clubs that let fanciers take there pool sheets and make ajustments to there sheet after there birds have been race marked and had access to rubbers that could have been added on but untill there caught its speculation nothing more and untill its proved why would anyone want to bring it up if i had proof of any clock of any kind that could be cheated id be at shu door wanting somthing done about it not trying to stir things up on here on open forum no wonder joe public have a low opinion of us