thanks wullie and glad to hear its working for many others im getting lots of pms from guys telling me it has worked for them it seems to sort most things in pigeons and keeps all the nasties away once there on it got a new suplier for the herb i mix it with so ive got plenty and it helps pay the feed at a tenner a bag i make 7 pound on it so im not robbing anyone and it will stay at that price for as long as i can get the stuff to make it m8