walterboswell59

im not saying your wrong dal im saying that thats your opinion to select your birds that way which you have perfected over the years you have kept pigeons a novice has not learned of your opinion so does not know if is right or wrong and the only way he can tell that is race them not fill the loft with untried pigeons with good backs and good wings because if they have no heart and no brain it counts for nothing so my advice to any novice is the race basket will tell you and thats my opinion ive plenty pigeons with good backs that are crap but ive no crap winners and only the basket tells me that so il agree to differ on that part dal

loads dal and with good backs and great wing condition to but i did not know it was a good pigeon till the basket told me lol

no we dont dal i agree with you both but its not always the case m8 where as the baskets never wrong

one thing i would like to say is if your lucky enough to win be humble no one likes a big head or someone trying to rub it in like ive said before its easy to be a winner and no matter how disapointed you are shake the winners hand even if he is an ass hole your a sportsman even if hes not and it creates harmony in the club and your turn will come and a hand shake and well done from your club m8s gives you a great lift and is what our sport is all about imo

thanks lads dont think ive got anything more buster but enjoyed doing it when im off i get bored after ive seen to the birds and if ive helped anyone its worth doing hoping someone will come on this year and say i tried what you said walter and won or got a good result im easy pleased lol hope we all get the results we want this season good luck to you all

il follow big alf if hes going

jam i knew a real top flyer that made up his mind to breed for type and ended up with a loft full of cracking looking and handling pigeons that could fly f k all he was so sick he packed it in your right the only thing that tells a good bird from a bad one is the basket and that goes for old hands or novice

bang on m8 to me if it wins its the right type

i agree with you there dal but again thats just our opinion i have handled some very very short keeled birds to that have scored at the distance we all like the pretty ones m8

think thats part of the problem jam a stud can only garntee the bloodline is there no matter how much you pay buying birds furthere up the tree does increase your chances imo my best breeders have been dbl grandchildren of louella champions but ive had winners off the 50 pound birds to another thing is we all want a good pigeon to look like a good pigeon and when they dont look the part we are disapointed but thats not the studs fault as you say the ugly ones win to and everyones opinion of what a good bird looks or handles like is different thats what makes our sport so great no one can look at a pigeon and tell if its good or bad only the basket can tell us that the rest is guess work and opinion but everyone to there own

glad there was something in it for you m8

correct stewart and you only get what you pay for m8

morning guys

ok guys now we know the basics of keeping pigeons and we kmow we have good birds that are fit and healthy how do we get that wee bit extra out of them the answer is observation and motivation know what your pigeon wants and likes jealousy is a powerful tool when I only raced a dozen or so years ago I would kid the life out them and win lots of money in the first 5 or 6 races up to cheltenham 280 miles to me here is how I did it there are lots of things you can try to stimulate them like pairing 2 cocks with one hen then the cocks don't see each other until one hour before basketing and there are a few ways to do this you can lock the hen in the box then let both cocks in and they will fight to claim the box with the hen in it let them fight for a minute then basket them I found the winner of the fight was first home most of the time or let one cock in the box with the hen and the dominant cock locked out trying to get to them 5 or 10 mins of this is enough then basket them but if you send all three put a few bob on the hen too as I was caught out with that one and won the race with the hen lol seems some girls like two guys fighting over them another wee tip with old cocks is if there hen is on point of lay handle the hens and gentlay push your finger just under the hens anus if it feels hard and pointed she will lay that night and the older cocks know it pool them if it feels very round and swollen she will lay the next day in both cases dont send the hen as she will lay in the basket or stop enroute if its a hard race but you will get a go out the cocks I also made a set of six nest boxes that had a removable partion in the middle one hour before basketing I pulled out the wooden partion and put in a perspex one then every 15 minutes I moved the nest bowls closer until they were right next to each other and wondering why they can't attack one another then in the basket with them this works with both the cocks and the hens these are things you can do to stimulate them but if there kidding themselfs you have to be observant to see whats happening then take advantage of it like a cock trying to claim another box or wanting in another section let them have what they want then take them away from it and give it back to them just before basketing watch what they want and use it to your advantage for the longer races the best tip I have found is darkness when your cock or hen is set up for the race you want on its favourite nest condition if its the cock your having a go with when he has been sitting 4 or 5 days darken the nestbox right down by cutting cardboard up to to cover the box by tacking it with push tacks or weave it through the spars if it the hen your trying with wait till shes sitting about 10 days then darken it down you want to use this about 3or4 days before you basket them watch and you will see the pigeons whole demenour change they will crouch lower in the bowl sit tighter with the eyes poping out there head they love it and become very broody also cut some sheets of wood about two foot square and lean them against the wall in each corner pin it to the wall at an angle so it can't fall on them and watch them fight to claim them theres lots of things you can do to stimulate your birds into giving you that wee bit more effort but if your observant you will see lots of thinks happening in the loft naturaly then its up to you to use it I'd rather sit and watch my birds for an hour than go in and disturb them with a scrapper when racing starts I stay out the loft only going in to basket feed or water give them piece dont keep catching and lifting birds they don't like it sit where you can see what there doing and you will learn much more about your birds and that's really all I can tell you guys hope its of interest to you all

thanks davey

tried it they hung up lol

hes invited two 30 year olds for me im just brushing up on my new chat line hey hen how would ye like to handle ma old cock that might work or get locked up lol anyway alan wheres that joint you had son enjoy it pal

to true mick no work no play

hes up in the room trying to get the wean to sleep im at a party in your hoose young alan invited me only 40 or 50 in but lol lol

aye same here mick ate the turkey and work with what ive got lol im buying no more famous last words thanks gogga glad you enjoyed the read m8

for a change is not my fault andy my step daughter done something on it one day and it now says something like browser disabled or something like that keep forgetting to ask her to put it back the way it was when shes over as the boys dont know how she done it but il get there m8 tell alf and karen im asking for them and to enjoy them selves tell them im just leaving to go to young alans party in there house hes having a rave i hear full streets going lol

only if i throw this f k r in it billy lol maybe ma gas has been cut off

thanks mick thought you might be at blackpool m8 you likeing a wee refreshment an all lol

sorry cant see it andy cant get adobe flash on my computer m8 for some reason need to get son or son in law to sort it for me

thanks tam and buster thought id sent everyone to sleep lol