no quite the opposite i can house no more than 18 race pairs so only can carry quality , £1,000 for one pigeon only a fool would part with that kind of money unless it was already a proven winner and breeder of winners , to obtain a young bird from a UNC winner would only cost me around £100 - £150 seems the Murray birds are worth ten times that .................... not in a million years :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: