jimmy white

your posting quite rightly was moved to chit chat ,,,,as that is what the thread has became

oops youve just reminded me ,, i have that to do as well ;D

on the three good days we had [in about a year ;D] ive scraped the loft from top to bottom, scrubbed the loft with virkon s ,, feeding a higher protein mix, and some seeds , [until the last flight is properly grown ] theve been out every day and had a clean bath in front of them at all times ive also sprayed the birds with dio-sect,

maybe worth an informative try ,, each month [starting october], for members to post what the months loft work , pigeon management i.e the moult etc , repairs b4the winter etc ,, maybe a good learning topic for novice and old hand alike

i used to have these many years ago, i got 6 yb,s from j, williams,gilmerton , jim ,sadly deceased now, was very busy with his own bussiness , and with his father failing ,i did his birds for a year , my reward was, as a lad of 16 years old , these 6 crossed hammond and whitiker grooters , one "the old meally" was the best pigeon i ever owned , this bird bred chocolates in allmost every round [the" old meally " su 63, 28228, was not your normal coloured meally , a rather dirty looking odd coloured bird , very large and with a bold head, this pigeon scored 9 times in races of over 500 miles ,right until the ripe old age of 9 y,o jim williams of gilmerton , off course among his many wins included 1st nat tours 608 miles in one of the hardest races ever, with very few making it home, many of jims pigeons were based on hammond and whitiker grooters,, off course there was also beglin bros of bo,ness winning nantes nat 600+miles with "high noon " this being a direct hammond and whiteker grooter

lovely pic do they have quifs at the back of their heads ?? maybe my eyes ;D but i thought i could see these quifs really nice pic of these two birds sitting side by side

while were on about threads, ;D,,,,,,,,,,,a jersey for me tony ;D ;D ;D

thank you phil the best of luck to you after reading your posts , im sure youll be successfull and enjoy your racing in the future

having missed all this [illness in family] ,i , like a true scotsman, would have entered ;D [late ;D] i have contributed in a couple of ways for wee phoebes fund,,, a massive effort by you al,, very well done indeed ,also, can we have any update on phoebe ? dont mention which warehouse this is ;D ;D, as there will be a massive conglamiration of fanciers ladders and the like ;D ;D fighting to get in , after seeing the breeding of your first three birds ;D ;D ;D ,,,, i for one admire you for the effort you have put in to this fund, this also shows the great side of all fanciers

hi pigeon82 please dont think i am paying any dis-regard to you, quite the opposite in fact , i congratulate both you and your father on your excellent results , i also thank you for your input to the forum , which to me, has prooved, very interesting indeed and to win with pigeons to-day , your postings actually proove the point , i say the best of luck to you and your father , may you continue winning, if i were racing pigeons to-day and off course wanted to win, im afraid to say , i would have be honest ,and have to do something similar regards methods etc . the thing i was trying to explain , was, after a lifetime of racing,and keeping pigeons , i have seen many changes in the way we have moulded our modern day racing pigeons [all of us ] to what they are to-day, to-day we have losses that we cannot comprehend , we have deseases we cannot comprehend [and off course the hawk problem has gotten out of control] anti-biotics [allthough a great invention and typicaly ;D made ,by a scotsman ;D ;D ;D,] have saved many human lives, when prescribed by a doctor,,, but could be the death of us, if used by us, willy nilly, which any decent doctor would off course not allow, the reason being, the same as our pigeons, our body or more to the point the pigeons body, contains good bacteria and bad bacteria , and when the bad bacteria beat the good bacteria ,the pigeon ,becomes ill , we now resort to very easily gotten antibiotics [some we know nothing about ,being laymen ] these anti-biotics will kill all bacteria ,,,good and bad , therefore lowering the birds immune system , over many years of doing this, at an abnormally high rate, [ some ,or even most fanciers,at least,,] in my opinion , have did exactly that, brought down the immune system in the pigeon , to what we have to-day i,e birds with un-naturaly lowered immune systems , being bred through and through them , for generations,,,,, deseases, mutating ,to fight the anti-biotic, this is where the vicious circle starts,, top avian vets and scientists are now producing different anti-biotics to combat this , off course the vicious circle carries on , and will continue to do so,in reality , we are too late to do anything about this ,,allthough ,it could be possible [very highly unlikely] as this would take more years to undo than it did to do. even treating for worms cocci, canker, more often than neccessary, will lower their resistence to fight these safe levels ,again breeding generations of birds incapable of fighting these safe levels that all pigeons have,,,,again the vicious circle ,, and all our own doing ,,,,we now need to treat , vaccinate , prop up, pigeons to have them win, but by doing so, allways going round this vicious circle,, kick against nature and it will kick back, this has most certainly prooved true in the last decade , i thank you for your contribution of your posting pigeon82 , anything discussed about pigeons is allways interesting and certainly makes a change from political arguements rife with us these days , my recipy for success is,, keep talking pigeons [the pigeons themselves] and you will win with pigeons :) good luck, and happy racing, to both you and your father :) kindest regards

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could this be a louella ring ?

glad you received it ted,, look forward to seeing your pic ;D ;D ;D best of luck to you ted ;D ;D [hope you enjoyed the drink ;D ;D ;D]

i can only answer as my own opinion and experience,, i have often heard it said "good pigeons dont get ill" now off course any pigeon can get ill, but there is a certain amount of truth in this saying i,e constitution,, most good distance pigeons, seldom do get ill, to give you an instance , for about 6 years up till 1997 , i kept pigeons in a "yard "as many on this forum will know,in this" yard" there were greyhounds kept , there was a great circular saw going ,[cutting up logs] there were car repairs done , old cars piled on top of each other , motor bike repairs , more or less a scrap yard [to say the least ] there was three pigeon lofts ,,one outside tap which run in to a sink , with no outlet [in other words , stinking] this sink and tap was used by all, allthough i kept the inside of the loft , spotlessly clean and treated for nothing ,one pigeon in particular , who had a mind of his own , would walk under these cars [quite often oil marks on it] appear at the other loft [a member of this forum] at the opposite end of the" yard" feed on the mixture that was flicked or rolled out this members stock loft veranda[i used to joke with him asking him to step up the protein [osc ;D] then dissapear back under the cars, then appear at the sink, then to my horror would take a drink , there was no way of stopping this bird doing this , i couldnt cover it , other folks were using it , all i could do, was bring a 5 gall drum of water from my house a mile away, clean it the best i could then tip some milton in it ,, the only" treatment" this bird ever got was brewers yeast tablets and a clo oil capsule now and then , this pigeon was,,,,,,sir colin true, as can be verified ,, i also won the fed supreme averages,with approx 5,000 birds racing r,u to the gold cup three times also winning a 505 mile combine sartilly race,with another pigeon [these birds were liberated with the u n c my winning vel would have been 3d in the u n c , won all the club averages[old and young] every year in that 6 years [up to 700 birds away in club] one year winning 13 races out of a possible 17 races ,2cnd in another 2 [many other positions] these pigeons never ever were given any antibiotics, never wormed ,cocci, or cankered [droppings were regularly tested] the only thing was, the inside of the loft was cleaned every time i entered it,, many times a day, sprayed with virkon s regularly , with milton in the water , no yb or ob was tolerated that even looked slightly off [blinked ] these pigeons had the one thing that is lacking in pigeons today,, CONSTITUTION, WE CAN NEVER GO BACK TO THAT NOW,, THE DAMAGE IS DONE ,,,,with all the treatment through the years ,mostly willy nilly. and guessing. [a wide band antibiotic will cure all] have now rendered us with pigeons , that have poor constitution , that actually NEED treated , to be able to race,,,,,, i just wonder how long this will last :-/

in the past ,in fact just a few weeks ago, i did stitch a pigeon [which i have done on many occssions] i have allways used white thread dabbing the wound with savlon and dipping the needle and thread in savlon,, but after reading larry lucas,s last few threads, and asking my own avian vet , who was kind enough to supply me with a sponge and alcohol,,,free [no, i havent drank it ] these two knowledgable gentlemen, have certainly endorsed the fact that any needle used on a pigeon must be sterilized with alcohol, both to stop any infection , and, if the needle is used on any other pigeon , to stop the spread of infection , i am of the opinion now, that this is a must , for a variety of reasons

now you are pushing things ;D

maybe just a wee apologie :) no , i see where your comming from ,, but there are many posts taken from the main board , and put in their proper places, i,e lost and found birds , health , fancy birds, etc etc ,, any posts transferred from the main board like that , ,,the actual post should re-direct you to the proper page,, this is for anyone to look back on all the relevant posts regarding health ,,lost birds, found birds , fancy birds etc ,, which will be alltogether in their own category,, hope this helps [you also see how soon posts are followed , sometimes just a little hasty ,, best of luck

many happy returns carrol

thats the way to do it,, ;D ;D

pm webmaster or grizzle_hen im sure they will be very helpfull

it sounds to me like its been the hen sparrow hawk,,,,and theres me, just passing a remark not a few days ago, that its been quiet with the hawks here the last few weeks,, so , just goes to show,, their never far away,, and im quiet sure you would have seen the speed and pounce of it,,,

its certainly bonnie looking bird,, it would be better if its a hen if you want to keep pure whites , but whatever she or he is,, it cerainly takes the eye

give them to someone who will look after them well, and make good use of them, a keen new starter would be ideal.

allways sad when you here news like that,, maurice verheye , will still be spoken about many ,many years from now, a fantastic racer and breeder of pigeons ,and ive no doubt many a winner, even yet to come, will contain the "maurice verheye" blood lines.... im in no doubt his pigeons will pay tribute to him for many a year to come.

not only did w kinnear and son race and bred auld reekie,, they also bred and raced" back to basics" a gold award winner which i had the greatest of pleasure of seeing comming home, being 2cnd nat. ,,,,,,,,all great pigeons indeed, all of them ,