jimmy white

easy mistake shotgun if its of any interest , it would be off the alf baker strain , alf who bred many silvers, reckoned that the silvers were the breeders ,,,,,,,,",workman" was a blue pied bred by alf baker , raced by another fancier , being a big winner.

hope your not calling mean old dog ;D ;D ;D no i completely agree with you ,, most of these very early breds are in fact , really late late latebreds of the previous year being rung asap in the currant year ,, these birds are in fact just like late breds ,,, and go down ten a penny ,, like you , i beleave a youngsters should be trained in fact from birth,, i,e in first normal flying then ranging then basket trained then tossed at approx10 weeks old,, i think the situation may be slightly different in scotland [as i think you have more races down your way] i think what im trying to say is up her as far as club races inland are concerned in the whole season we have approx [normally] 17 races , whereas this way ive said we would have 20 races plus any specialist races ,,,,thousands of yb,s are thrown away, with each year getting worse,, ,, these will never be on the transporter again , whereas this way the normal club racer would have more birds ,transporters would be more regular birdage wise,, and any club racer would have an extra three races ,,plus his specialist races if he so wished ,,,,,but i agree entirely what you say in these early bred yb,s ,,its like trying to potty train a 40 yearold man [my age ;D] [dont even try and answer the "potty" one ;D ;D ;D]

do pigeon fanciers put too much importance on yb racing? each year b4 yb racing starts ive often posted here we are nearing the" annual slaughter of the young birds" which for some reason has gotten far worse over the last 20 years ,, year by year, moreso in the last 5 years ,, in scotland , most of the clubs normally have about 7 yb club races , im often now of the opinion , that young birds trained privately , even up to 50 miles well. are as good as the ones that have raced the whole season ,in fact , sometimes better , having a better moult ,, during the first 4 races the transporters are full and obviously , this takes in revenue,, after these races its very easy to see the drop in birdage, and the now, usual stories ,of horrific losses,, fanciers never seem to welcome change or even try change,,,,,,,,could it just not be possible for more old bird racing [do without yb racing] there are 10 ob races in most scottish clubs inland,, would it, or could, it be feasable to have 2 sets of ob racing , sprint type racing where birds are bred earlier , then moult earlier say 10 races ,up to 250 miles ,,then 10 races of say over 250 miles where bred later would moult later ,, my thoughts would be ,, it would be fairer to the young birds and produce even more revenue for transporters , if you think deeper into this b4 you leap,, could we ever change ? or would we ever change? or go on untill there are no yb,s left as it has been heading in the last few years,, just worth a thought anyway

sorry to hear that , but at least the rollers back in his own loft,, maybe would be wise to keep it in a few days , mainly to recuperate [as it will do with just good grub and water] also get it more used to your loft as theres allways the slight possibility it could return to that other loft,, i,e if it got a fright etc.

tried this method many years ago ,, found it not as good as the darkness system ,,, the lightness system is in fact the complete opposite to the darkness system,, with the darkness system you are in fact fooling the birds its winter ,i.e dark at 5pm ,,light at 9 am , these birds have a full body moult [like latebreds] but retain their nest flights ,, whereas the lighness system is early bred youngsters kept on summer daylight hours , so that they completely moult , flights as well,b4 racing starts both these systems will require the yb,s to go through a second moult ,i,e now.

absolutely fantastic results,,, can ask you what [roughly] what pecentage of these fantasic winnings , would you put down to management,,, and what percentage to the breed [van reets]

garlicis great for them,, you cant overdose,, if its too strong they wont drink it mix a few cloves in a bottle of warm [not boiling] water ,, give it a shake ,, after a day or two ,, put a blub blub blub in their drinker ,,,if they drink it freely , your ok

they could still lay if in the right condition,, this time of year ,,they usually take longer to lay wheatgerm oil, nest pans , some straw or nesting material , plenty grit and a little hemp [light would help],,,,,,,,,but not really the best time ,,

no , never too cold to breed,, but parents must be in breeding condition

pigeons usually know what to eat and when,,,,,they know best whats good for them ,,,,,,,,,,,when their not racing

ideal,, and after a week or so of this theyll be eating and drinking themselves ,,,,,,,,and be very tame ,,, sometimes if you dip the maple in water , it goes down easier

at this time of year birds out every day ,fed as much as they want,, mixture containing as much veriety as poss,, some will eat less being further on in the moult , some will eat more [and whats more know what to eat] that are in different stages of the moult ,,,,,,,,, no food ever left over

welcome to my world jim reeves

i love you because,,, jim reeves

sometimes difficult to tell in some pics... mb,,,, i notice their not rung ,,but these could well be homers,, as you say you can allways try the yb,s off them,, sorry to hear you were mistreated a little,, but who knows you may well just turn out some decent yb,s from them, it would certainly be nice if you did

its not unusual tom jones

welcome to the site harry,,, hope you enjoy it ,, sure you will

freinds b, cheq cock

hi mike,, theres a lot of fanciers spend a lot on petrol getting their birds race fit, ,, this would be enough to frighten anyone off, with the price of petrol now, ;D, but allways remember of the great albert babbington saying "races are won at home" off course if you think deep enough into this saying , its very true, in more ways than one,, sometimes there is no need for this travelling at all , i,e keeping w,hood cocks ,say,[ as long as theve been well trained as yb,s ] will not, or rather shouldnt need this type of forced training, as the less road training they get,, the more they will fly,not only around the loft , but range very far away if managed correctly, most fanciers talk of" training" but very few of" rest " you can take it from me, that without proper rest they wont get the proper excercise, i,e if your w hood cocks will fly a solid hour in the morning say from 6am till 7am , then gotten in and fed [a hungry bird wont fly], then had perfect peace in their loft during the day [possibly in a dimmed loft] then let out at 6pm , if you can see them do another hour, ranging far away,,these birds would not need road trained [allthough its a bit of an art to get them to do this] if they can do this of their own fee will ,,,theyll win and win well , and save you a lot of time and petrol,,,,,,,,so dont let anyone frighten you by having to drive 40 mile every day,,,,let the birds fly themselves, over 40 miles per day ;D it takes a bit of doing at first ,but with a little patience , this can be acheived in the height of the summer ,,,,,when all the road training pigeons [usually since early april] are finished ,, so you can save on petrol and watch your birds "winning at home" good luck

i used to be very keen on the shows and judged many,, the show racers were handy also in the summer where i could put some of the best eggs that the w,hood hens laid under them,, ;D i found they were great parents ,,off course in the winter they were conditioned for the shows ,, this is a bonnie yellowhen , these yellows are very beautifull , not only to look at , but have won races in the past with them , so both the show racer yellow and the racing yellow have their uses

ahh got you pjc,, as when i paired a b cheq [carrying no yellow genes] allways bred yellow hens ,, hence my post earlier,,,, but then breeding this hens son [,b cheq] back to the mother [ yellow hen] still got cheq cock and yellow hen ,, but this was the one and only attempt ,, as you say, if i had persevered i may well have got the odd yellow cock,, all very interesting stuff thanks for the info

first to pjc,, lovely silvers , be nice to see fifers yellows as the post above states genetics in pigeons is hard to grasp but very fascinating,,, i had found in the past that no matter what cheq cock was paired to this yellow hen they allways produced yellow hens and never cocks [even when the yellow hen was paired to her son ,a b cheq. but must admit this was only with one attemp,, but again i got a b cheq cock and a yellow hen,, i note that louella have selectively bred yellows , both cocks and hens ,,,,,and plenty of them just wondered how this was done?,,,,,,,,,i can only imagine that" white" which in a sence is no colour i.e. carries no colour pigment , therefore wondering if this yellow colour has been produced ,in some way through whites[having no pigment] crossed with say, a meally or silver , producing a faulty pigment colour ,,,being yellow as we know it by ?? anyone geneticly modified ;D could maybe answer this but very fascinating anyway

not wishfull thinking sammy,,,,,,it does ,, beleive me

this is one of the ivermectin pruducts having tried this myself found it to be great for worming birds , also for lice on the ouside,,,,,,,,,,but if your bird has been treated with this ! and inadvertantly gets killed and eaten by a hawk,,, this will poison and kill the poor hawk!

it takes very hard work,a lot of thought, , many dissapointments, to make pigeons win,and more imporantly,,,win regular, but this is the only way,, anyone not not putting hard work and thought in to it ,, will get nothing out of it. anyone winning races, by not doing this, would soon be found out [experienced fanciers could tell a mile away], and as someone remarked b4 in this thread,,,,drugs are for mugs ,,,,,,,,,so very true ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but what one has to beware of ,is jealousy , fanciers who are putting, time and effort into their pigeons , and winning with them,, should never be accused , [usually by fanciers who prop up the bar] unless proven,, beyond all doubt ,which would be very easy to do