chris like me some people may be a bit cautious about giving birds away . last year i gave some late breds to a new starter(or so i thought, just turned out to be someone restarting or moved i can't remember) i gave him brother's+sister's to fed topper's and good national scoring birds, i also told him if he had a problem or did'nt want them for any reason to tell me and i'll send for them back (i would have kept them myself) he spoke to me sometime later and said he lost 2 settling em so he killed the other 2, i could'nt believe what he was telling me , i'd never give him birds again and know i only give to friends.