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I can't but perhaps Jo Claeskens, Willebroek ?

Jos Van Der Veken as mentioned was at the top in the 1970’s and remains so to this day. Perhaps as he concentrates upon the lower middle distances he is not so well known. Also he competes in the Hafo Kempen and not the ZAV/Antwerp Union or Hafo Turnhout so is less publicised. Also the Hafo Kempen typically does not liberate at the same time as the aforementioned Unions but when they do say in the Orleans Province race he is always near the top. August Jansen’s contain a lot of Veken’s mainly through the Goede Kweker 228-96 but Veken bloodlines well represented in Gust Jansen pigeons - at the heart of the base are 2 daughters of a brother of Olieman It is a little unfair to talk of pigeon lore and the Olieman and indeed lore of Jos Van de Veeken himself. The Olieman lines were in the pedigree of Finneke 5000. Also Jos is certainly not yesterdays man. In the Hafo Kempen 19/05 this year from 2240 pigeons he had the fastest 13. (combining both the yearlings and old bird results). The first 8 in the yearlings and first 5 in the old birds.

Unfortunately Luc Geerinckx is relatively recently deceased, he was a very kind and nice person who was willing to assist anybody without him promoting his own piegons. Of course you would need to verify but to have bought all the stock birds would mean that it would be impossible for Bart Geerinckx to be offering 27 bred from his best birds with DNA certificates on PIPA at the present time. With the main pigeons Gladiator & Wittekop Sylvester still in the stock loft the very best were certainly not purchased , nor were the race team who performed well this year. I also think given the close relationship between Brian Bolton and Luc this would not be true. They may have bought some at some point.

Jim Coutts - Kemnay (Jumbo) has ask me to post that he is in at 15.34. Well done Jim

Jim Coutts - Kemnay (Jumbo) has ask me to post that he is in at 15.34. Well done Jim

Hi, Your question is too generic You have to state which region and what year. The RPRA (whom I believe you are affiliated) I believe do not allow the belge 2010 to be raced as a youngster. Again I believe it is fine as a yearling (2011) but again check with your associated body. Each respective organization has its own rules. As far as I am aware Belge 2010 are fine to race in Scotland. (SHU).

I am not for one minute suggesting we have any obligation to Ypres/Ieper, as first and formeost it is racing that is the concern. What I would say is it represents a wonderful opportunity to play a positive role for the Scottish Pigeon fanciers in the mind of the UK and Belgian population as a whole. In the next few years will be the century years of the First World War. Some of the most horrific battles where fought out in and round Ypres. The first Battle of Ypres (amongst many) was 1914. The Menin Gate in Ypres itself bears the names of 54,896 dead who have no known graves (40,244 UK, 6198 Australian, 6983 Canadian, 564 South African, 6 BWI and 4217 Indian), who died between 1914 and 15th Aug 1917.. Each and every night at 8pm the soundings of the Last post are carried out by the buglers of the Ypres. Pigeons (Doves) are the symbol of peace, so I think there could be openings where we can play a positive role during the remembrance years. Of course the SNFC are not professional publicists so it may be a futile observation. A race from Ypres can be ingrained in the mindset with good marketing – We need some good publicity. In life one good turn generally gets reciprocated and who knows we may benefit from political decisions that may be made in the future. Just a though …

My dad was aware Mystic Gareth had spoken ! He was proud with the prediction never mind what happened afterwards

I would like to say well done to my dad! Charlie Cameron, clocking 3 pigeons on the day into Arbroath; 20.22, 21,23 and 23.05 .

Was bred by CEULEMANS L. Tuinweg 8 2500 Lier Telephone No 0032 3 480 06 89

For example if I where a shopkeeper ………… I run a traditional camera shop, dedicated to the pursuit of high quality images developed from film cameras. It is a lofty ambition specializing for the purists. If for some reason, however, despite what is said by the customers in winter time “I only believe in true shots from film cameras†,etc, the balance sheet appears to indicate I only make a profit on so called lightweight digital camera’s should I take the moral stance this is a purist camera shop or face the reality my pursuit is actually being in some way part funded by the selling of digital camera’s or do I just decide to go bust and stop selling the digital cameras ? My belief is the shopkeeper would be grateful he could guarantee to keep his shop open and be grateful he can still participate in his specialism for which he founded the shop (He may even give a cynical smile when selling the digital cameras but …) Indeed if you keep some digital camera owners happy you may just spur an interest in “real†photography and they will also invested in the film camera. I do think people have forgotten this is a sport crying out for modernisation, economies of scales. To some extend classic racing is a form of the future. Personally I would rather all races over 300 miles where nationals (or at least combine races)

Hi Homer, Yes

Grew up looking at the pictures of the black Jets but was never allowed any but did read. As correctly mentioned the pigeons where selected as youngsters and raced in Belgium as youngsters. Nauwelaerts being true to his word let them go to Scotland. The hen I believe if memory serves me correct won 3*1st prizes. I can’t say if Telfer went to him deliberately due to results or came via word of mouth. That said as mentioned there was also some William Geerts blood in them (direct from the Buffel – At that time Geerts was the top loft for middle distance in Antwerp, and the Buffel was the best breeder). Until recently a fancier who was winning them was none other than Ron Green (Breakaway) Ok the birds where not good , just darkness? Consider this Nauwelaerts (not to be confused with the Nauwelearts Mardon introduced) has perhaps the best record of any breeder of pigeons into the UK ever in relation to winners per bird sent over ? As well as the Black Jets another fancier got them. John Lovell went over himself and bought (Now once again I can’t say if he saw Telfers results or just happened upon them). They won well for him immediately but began a long distance man at heart he moved them to John Salt of Kimberly , Nottingham. John Salt raced these tremendously in the 80’s and 90’s his Tom line was full of winners. Ironically the Tom line of Sontjens probably replaced them but I would be sure he has plenty winning lines of these left.

Sunrise hours for Paris June 2009. Alencon is 105 miles to the West of Paris so should have a similar sunrise. 26th June 2009 Alencon SNFC race 05.49 Am (4.49 UK time) So I would hazard a guess this is the earliest liberation time possible must be around this time Link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=195&month=6&year=2009&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

Les Stevens of Sittingbourne Kent was a source of many of the Fabrys in the UK. One loft in the mid 80’s Pete Beadle of Humber on Barton had a successful family of these at club and Fed level. One pigeon I remember was Humber Pride which had over 20 firsts and three or four first feds in the racing against the likes of Kevin Hurst, Tuplin etc. . Georges Fabry: son of Victor and therefore the grandson of Georges Fabry still races pigeons relatively successfully in Liege. As an aside ….. Anybody who has Staf van Reets has an element of Fabry. (The Janssen Line that was pre-dominate for Van Reet was the half Fabry line Victor Vansaalen in Masters of Breeding and racing states Van Reet original base as Jansen/Fabry and Hermans of Luitahgen (Bricoux origin see also … Theelen, Marcellis ) . Anybody Janssen fancier with the Witoger and Merckx lines (and therefore the 019 , Young Merckx etc) has descendants of the Porthos of Fabry (the grandfather of the Half Fabry)

I believe in the shorter nationals. In my opinion they offer good racing and they potentially help the sport go forward. Undoubtedly the SNFC is a club that is geared toward the long distance races and this is correct but I do not believe it has to be to the detriment of the club to have two inland races. Federation memberships in most areas are dwindling, to a large extent the inland nationals represent a potential economy of scale for Federations racing above 300 miles in Scotland. Let the fed program take you so far all other races above that distance could be nationally organized. Perhaps they can be housed under another umbrella organization outside that of the SNFC but anything out-with nationals tend to be shooting stars (Fanciers tend not to like specific areas dominating the races so begin to break up such organizations). At present the Inland Nationals make a small profit which helps fund the longer races. I believe it is preferable to run an organisation on a self sufficient level rather than relying upon sales and other outside activities etc. Also it could be noted for the North of Scotland some of these races still represent a fair distance. Another perspective: The shorter races afford an avenue for the club fancier to experience a national race. If the club fancier gets encouragement at a shorter race, the adrenalin of the National can’t be match when going back to club racing, after a while they realize they need to get some long distance lines in to compete in more of the SNFC program (I.e. the long races). Therefore in summary the Inland races offer a form of progression into the long distance races and aspirations. Times have changed new starts (the few we get) are not automatically geared into the long distance racing. And likewise once for these fanciers once they have seen a pigeon home in good time at the longer races they will be hooked. Like everything it is only an opinion but it is one I think is based on assisting the progression of pigeon racing in Scotland for the next X many years. As time goes by we are going to be duly forced into greater cooperation and sharing of resources.

David Marx is an avian vet from the US (He is quoted earlier as the source of information). Within the US to specialise in pigeons to any degree due to the scarcity of fanciers in a vast country you effectively have to be a supermarket to sell your products. If you are Dr Frans Marien who has a specialist practice in Belgium (and class fancier) you do not need to tout your wares as your money comes from the visiting and testing lofts on a regular basis. Now Frans Marien clients are not abusers of any drugs as resistance is the key to sustained form over longer time frames. Prudent use when required is more expedient. Ok we do not have that facility in the UK to test but to treat blind is very risky. If you have cause to believe you have paratyphoid it would be wise to send samples away. If the result is positive make them cultivate the bacteria they will then be able to ascertain which particular course of medicine offers the best treatment. Remember Parastop is merely a generic brand. Outside of the well known vets in the UK, the Scottish Agricultural College will perform this service at reasonable rates That said many excellent fanciers do treat blindly. But is wrong to state it is a requirement. In the long run much better to eliminate anything that is susceptible to non perfect health. Of course in an out break treat. When quoting vets , I would suggest we restrict ourselves to only consider vets who race well. Not vets with wares to sell From Norbert Ally, For Paratyphoid a preventive antibiotic treatment is meaningless because antibiotics have no preventive action on absent germs nor on germs in ‘dormancy’ (so as in germ-carrying healthy pigeons). Unfortunately there is as of today no effective vaccine against Paratyphoid. As he concludes Antibiotics: “The more you use it, the more you lose it!†Medication should be applied purposefully and correctly A useful link is http://www.norbertally.be/wetenschapper_EN.htm The usage of 28% carrying a disease means little unless its meaning is expanded. For example we all possess the ecoli bug at present (100%) . But we have it at manageable levels and therefore we have an eliment of resistance in our day to day lives. Again I am neither arguing for or against many top lofts treat blind (bad ones do to) but like everything in pigeons there is a blur between definitive rights and wrongs.

lenwadebob This is the partnership of Lambrechts-Lismont of Kortenaken Brabant you are referring too. Good all round fliers. Unfortunately one of the partners died last year. This is different to the Lambrechts of Berlaar, who are doing well in the UK at present. Numerous strains have been mentioned as the base of these but I would say if you consider the Dillen is the base stock pigeon then it is fair to say Dillen is the base. Dillen has a number of Schellens pigeons amongst others (and to be honest I can’t say what line the De Dillen of Lambrechts represents). Lambrechts have pigeons from a number of Berlaar fanciers like Karl Mollen; but the UK fanciers tend to be happier with standard reponse such as they are Jansen base etc.

In 2002, J.Pierre Bogaerts from Oplinter won 1 Nat. Barcelona 13021 p (4th Int) with Red Barcelona Belg 98/2415326 It is of Imbrechts/Matterne bloddlines Barcelona Nat link (Not International) http://www.pipa.be/files/racing_season/2002/2002_barcelona_oude.txt Marc De Cock initially purchased the pigeon prior to Brian Long JM Bogaerts Kloosterstraat 10 3300 Oplinter Tel : +00 32 (0) 16 81 95 81

To throw a little curve ball ? If you are travelling for future non flying out stock I would recommend other routes othan than by ferry. (re travelling from Glasgow) From Roysth it costs a small fortune and does not take pigeons. Travelling to Hull is good but it is a long journey. 14 hours. This is all wasted time . In addition there is a plethora of fanciers going over to the continent almost on a weekly basis to Belgium who can bring them back for you. So i would recommend taking the Easy Jet flight from Glasgow/Prestwick to Charleroi (South of Belgium). The cost of this can be as low as 1 pound + taxes. From Charleroi you can get a train to anywhere in Belgium for 10 euros return. You are there in hours rather than a day. If you are going to a specific area a car need not even be a requirement. There are always Belgian fanciers willing to take you round lofts. (of course you need to know the area, they won’t just take you round the whole country) Once the birds are bought there are many fanciers who will bring the birds back for a small price. Of course if they are from the nest to fly out this is not useful.

Ian You can report the pigeon via the NPO site http://www.npo.nl/duif-gevonden The Dutch phone number of the breeder is 075-6310750 (0031 for Holland) . Sorry can’t find the owner from a Dutch phone book search so maybe it is a mobile number Strange thing is I have one NL in also (Aberdeen) tonight, the Dutch owner wants it back ! Only a 2009 bird. The one I have in has the same three starting digits so probably from the same area.

Lot 1: £450

Talk of his demise may be premature Willy Clerebaut of Ecaussinnes was 1st CFW Barcalona this year 26th National. Last year he had the 7th National Ace pigeon KBDB long distance. http://users.skynet.be/cfw/clgbarmv.html As mentioned he was a great friend of Bilco’s, there are some lovely articles in the 70’s Gazette by Bilco (also of Henri Van Neste amongst others)

If it is any help the breeder was (Given the location it may be the case he is not the owner) Ceulemans L. Tuinweg 8 2500 Lier 03/480.06.89

I would just like to thank Ian McKay (Aberdeen) for basketting my pigeon for the SNFC Maidstone race as I am in London working this week. (Only sending one). Hopefully the pigeon went away fine