Bop

[Froog]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-40978255

[Kyleakin Lofts]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-40978255

 

Unless there is something they are not releasing, this is mudslinging. Previous cases have no bearing on this case unless a link has been formed and they should not therefore be referenced in this matter.

[Delboy]

Unless there is something they are not releasing, this is mudslinging. Previous cases have no bearing on this case unless a link has been formed and they should not therefore be referenced in this matter.

 

I agree Andy, inference of wrong doing by the pigeon fraternity, totally out of order.

[tommy bhoys]

I agree Andy, inference of wrong doing by the pigeon fraternity, totally out of order.

its called law of the jungle and wee are top of food chain :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[Cliftonlad]

Pigeon fanciers should send in pictures to press of all birds which have been ripped to bits by these bastereds. :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[tommy bhoys]

Pigeon fanciers should send in pictures to press of all birds which have been ripped to bits by these bastereds. :emoticon-0179-headbang:

the queen is the patron of this sport she controls this country why is she not helping the fancy in these times of need :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[Froog]

the queen is the patron of this sport she controls this country why is she not helping the fancy in these times of need :emoticon-0179-headbang:

Totally agree, but her or other royals are patrons to the RSPB I'm sure. Fact is, pigeons are protected by law so the RSPB should be doing more to protect them, with or without the queens consent, the only birds they are interested in protecting, are BOP, fu.k knows why

[tommy bhoys]

Totally agree, but her or other royals are patrons to the RSPB I'm sure. Fact is, pigeons are protected by law so the RSPB should be doing more to protect them, with or without the queens consent, the only birds they are interested in protecting, are BOP, fu.k knows why

we own the rings on our birds the respective unions should be seeking court orders that all rings retrieved from bird of preys nest sites are returned tae the unions that issued them

[tommy bhoys]

Pigeon fanciers should send in pictures to press of all birds which have been ripped to bits by these bastereds. :emoticon-0179-headbang:

rite im gonnae write a letter fae the pigeon fancy tae the queen not to good in wording letters any clever cants on here that could help or even better if ian mc kay could send yin on behalf of pigeon basics asking for some help in saving this great sport in our time of need hope this is not of topic

[Froog]

rite im gonnae write a letter fae the pigeon fancy tae the queen not to good in wording letters any clever cants on here that could help or even better if ian mc kay could send yin on behalf of pigeon basics asking for some help in saving this great sport in our time of need hope this is not of topic

get your pen out ian.....if anyone can...you can

[Froog]

One more point...stop deleting posts, a lot of it is banter, kill the banter, the forum dies, and right now its very quiet, if its off topic, so what? its someones view or banter, and lets face it, if you left this page to Aberdeen members, you would be lucky to get one post per week......the Lanarkshire halfwits keep this forum alive..........hope that's not off topic too?

[greenbar]

Seen it when it 1st came to light in august,a wee shame

[ally mac]

I don't think we will ever win the war against a natural population of bob, probably best to start against the exadurated population due to nest sites being put up all over the place which is un natural, and the interference with failing young to rear them then release.

[Ian McKay]

rite im gonnae write a letter fae the pigeon fancy tae the queen not to good in wording letters any clever cants on here that could help or even better if ian mc kay could send yin on behalf of pigeon basics asking for some help in saving this great sport in our time of need hope this is not of topic

 

 

get your pen out ian.....if anyone can...you can

 

 

Thanks Guys

 

I have already asked this question to someone in the know

 

It will not happen as it is not within her domain to get involved with issues like this

 

As a pigeon fancier she is well aware of the problem and has been a victim herself (ie her loft and birds)

 

Please read the following article which is doing more good than we or our unions will ever do, my opinion is we, ALL unions included should be backing Mr Botham he is highlighting their failures more then any pigeon Club / Fed or Union has EVER done so get behind him and not just grump on this site

 

Get your letter to your union instructing them to back this attack on the RSPB and their failure to do as stated with money donated and gifted to them or milked from our government (which is us) and being used to line the pockets of a select few who without doubt have been proven to be very dubious with there decisions and actions under the RSPB banner

 

So do as Botham did pit yir teeth back in and join him as I see it he is doing more than ANYONE :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

£6m of donations spent on TV ads. £56m pledged to pension deficit. A mania for bird mangling turbines – why country-loving SIR IAN BOTHAM’s got a beef with... The Bird Brains

 

Sometimes in cricket you don’t see a ball coming. The RSPB’s top brass have been taken aback with the idea that anyone could criticise them. Word has it that they hope the You Forgot The Birds campaign that I have helped launch will disappear. They are in for a disappointment, because a wave of farmers, landowners and conservationists are joining. We are very different. But we all love birds with a passion and we all agree that the RSPB is a national treasure that is being badly mismanaged.

 

Scandal 1

 

It has royally messed up its finances. For 125 years people have been leaving money to the RSPB in their wills. That’s helped it buy 200 nature reserves. Yet today’s RSPB leadership has wasted this legacy.

 

The RSPB’s pension deficit has become so out of control that last week it was forced to pledge £56million – that’s almost half of those nature reserves – as security to ensure pensions get paid. The generosity of generations is being treated with contempt.

 

It gets worse. Last year £5 million of donations which should have been going on bird welfare got diverted into paying down the pension deficit. That’s going to continue for the next 17 years. The RSPB is a pension fund with a charity attached.

 

Scandal 2

 

Misleading marketing. The RSPB is so hungry for money that it has been gratuitously misleading donors. When potential donors have seen the promise on its home page to spend ‘90p in every pound’ on conservation they have assumed that it means 90p in every pound they give goes on conservation.

 

Not so. The Charity Commission website shows that only 68p has gone on these charitable purposes. Now, following discussions between You Forgot The Birds and the Charity Commission, the regulator has told the RSPB to ‘correct its statement’. The RSPB has been misleading donors and competing unfairly with other charities.

 

Of the 68p left for charitable purposes, only 24p went on its nature reserves – the bit where birds actually get looked after. The RSPB’s focus has instead been on its ever growing fundraising army. Your donations pay for its 405 fundraisers to ask you for more money so that they can employ more fundraisers to ask you for still more money.

 

Even the RSPB’s remaining friends are disturbed by its obsession with money. The editor of Birdwatch magazine was brave enough last month to suggest that £6 million spent on TV advertising would have been better devoted to nature reserves.

 

Scandal 3

 

At least in its core activity of running its nature reserves the RSPB must be very good? Well, not if you ask the birds. Time and again Britain’s endangered birds give a thumbs down to hanging out at RSPB reserves. There’s a great farmer down in Kent called Philip Merricks. His land is lapwing heaven. They breed away merrily. Next door at the RSPB reserve it’s lapwing hell. For every 100 lapwing chicks that successfully fledge on the farmer’s land, the RSPB manages only eight.

 

Why does the RSPB fail in places like Kent? It’s simple. The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds doesn’t do enough to protect birds.

 

Everyone in the countryside knows that ground nesting birds have no chance if their homes are shared with foxes and crows. These predators steal eggs and eat baby chicks. If you don’t protect birds from predators they don’t survive. That leads to:

 

Scandal 4

 

The RSPB hides from us the predator control it does do. Have you ever received a mailshot from the RSPB telling you about the hundreds of foxes it shoots? Or the thousand deer? Didn’t think so. For some reason the marketing team avoid sending you images of Bambi’s mother after the RSPB had shot her dead. Nor do they want you to dwell on how your donations are being spent on bullets.

 

The RSPB’s ‘Vote for Bob’ marketing campaign features a cute looking red squirrel, but forgets to tell you that the way to save red squirrels is to kill grey squirrels.

 

Nature is full of hard choices, not cotton wool. If the RSPB really cared about wild birds it would campaign about our domestic cats which, to be blunt, butcher millions of birds every year.

 

But that would upset the donors. It would also be an inconvenient truth for it to say that our beloved songbirds cannot cope with the soaring numbers of birds of prey which wipe them out on our bird tables.

Scandal 5

 

Just think that you are a migrating bird which has managed that long, long flight from Africa. Weary and tired, you encounter one of Britain’s thousands of bird mangling machines. Since wind farms are deadly to birds, you would expect the RSPB to be against them. Not in the slightest. Because much more important than protecting birds is protecting the planet from climate change.

 

So the RSPB enthusiastically backs its business partners (who must love the RSPB camouflage) to build ever more bird blenders in the sky. The end justifies the means. Now, climate change is important. The charities which do research on climate change and help us become more energy efficient have an important role.

 

But if you give to the RPSB you probably wish the money was going on looking after birds, not paying for blokes in suits to do political lobbying in Brussels.

 

Scandal 6

 

There’s a reason why the RPSB puts so much effort into keeping its nominal membership above one million – so that it can intimidate politicians. And farmers. And everyone else who stands in the way of its world view. Am I making my case too strongly? No.

 

For the dirty little secret in Whitehall is that the environment department, Defra, and Natural England are scared of the RSPB. They do nothing without its permission. Policy sits on shelves for years because the RSPB doesn’t approve.

 

 

 

As a young Somerset batsman, Botham (above) once had a cricket ball knock out some of his teeth. He spat them out and played on until his team won. He hasn't changed

 

We will see it this week when the RSPB again blocks a scheme that would increase the number of hen harriers. The key reason the RSPB keeps obstructing this scheme is not because its donors are opposed – they overwhelmingly support it. It’s because the hen harrier is such a useful fundraising tool.

 

Scandal 7

 

The mark of a dictatorship is that when they do elections they ensure that the number of candidates equals the number of jobs.

 

So guess what happened last weekend in the election for the RSPB’s governing council? Yes – three candidates for three jobs.

 

I have a dream that the RSPB will one day represent all who care passionately about bird life – not just a narrow clique.

 

So next year I will be offering some competition by putting together a list of reform-minded candidates to start cleaning out the mess created by the current leadership.

 

One final thought. Last week the RSPB threatened You Forgot The Birds with legal action.

 

Since the RSPB employs five law firms – with your donations – I await the legal letters.

 

But while politicians are intimidated, I am not.

 

As a young Somerset batsman, I once had a cricket ball knock out some of my teeth. I spat them out and played on until we won. I’ve not changed.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3HwnEMymH

[Ian McKay]

One more point...stop deleting posts, a lot of it is banter, kill the banter, the forum dies, and right now its very quiet, if its off topic, so what? its someones view or banter, and lets face it, if you left this page to Aberdeen members, you would be lucky to get one post per week......the Lanarkshire halfwits keep this forum alive..........hope that's not off topic too?

 

 

We know that Fred but if we get complaints we must act

 

Banter 9 times out of 10 just goes too far if you the members kept it in proportion it will not be removed but when you start bringing up about child abuse and sexual activities (especially between children and religeon or 2 males ) it is offensive to some and will not be tollerated

 

One person in particular is superb about football politics but he just pushes some too far and it gets removed so do the Mods a favour and THINK before you post and we will let things roll

 

Ian

 

Ps I don't hide behind a non-deplume I am available to speak to anyone on site or by phone to resolve any issues if you are interested

 

01224 741028

E-mail ian.mckaybtinternet.com

[Kyleakin Lofts]

How do we back the You Forgot The Birds campaign?

[Ian McKay]

How do we back the You Forgot The Birds campaign?

 

 

Will investigate how we can help but this is a start.

 

For many the issues raised by You Forgot The Birds echo their own concerns. We are often asked about how to give to the campaign and so have set up a bank account to facilitate this:

 

You can contribute through the You Forgot The Birds account at Lloyds Bank:

 

Sort Code 30 - 90 - 66

Account 64710068

If you would like an acknowledgement or to discuss the issues raised in our campaign please email us ideas@youforgotthebirds.com

[Ian McKay]

How do we back the You Forgot The Birds campaign?

 

 

Have read of this Andy:

 

http://www.youforgotthebirds.com/monday

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Thanks Ian, posted to FB.

[paddymac]

Thanks Guys

 

I have already asked this question to someone in the know

 

It will not happen as it is not within her domain to get involved with issues like this

 

As a pigeon fancier she is well aware of the problem and has been a victim herself (ie her loft and birds)

 

Please read the following article which is doing more good than we or our unions will ever do, my opinion is we, ALL unions included should be backing Mr Botham he is highlighting their failures more then any pigeon Club / Fed or Union has EVER done so get behind him and not just grump on this site

 

Get your letter to your union instructing them to back this attack on the RSPB and their failure to do as stated with money donated and gifted to them or milked from our government (which is us) and being used to line the pockets of a select few who without doubt have been proven to be very dubious with there decisions and actions under the RSPB banner

 

So do as Botham did pit yir teeth back in and join him as I see it he is doing more than ANYONE :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

£6m of donations spent on TV ads. £56m pledged to pension deficit. A mania for bird mangling turbines – why country-loving SIR IAN BOTHAM’s got a beef with... The Bird Brains

 

Sometimes in cricket you don’t see a ball coming. The RSPB’s top brass have been taken aback with the idea that anyone could criticise them. Word has it that they hope the You Forgot The Birds campaign that I have helped launch will disappear. They are in for a disappointment, because a wave of farmers, landowners and conservationists are joining. We are very different. But we all love birds with a passion and we all agree that the RSPB is a national treasure that is being badly mismanaged.

 

Scandal 1

 

It has royally messed up its finances. For 125 years people have been leaving money to the RSPB in their wills. That’s helped it buy 200 nature reserves. Yet today’s RSPB leadership has wasted this legacy.

 

The RSPB’s pension deficit has become so out of control that last week it was forced to pledge £56million – that’s almost half of those nature reserves – as security to ensure pensions get paid. The generosity of generations is being treated with contempt.

 

It gets worse. Last year £5 million of donations which should have been going on bird welfare got diverted into paying down the pension deficit. That’s going to continue for the next 17 years. The RSPB is a pension fund with a charity attached.

 

Scandal 2

 

Misleading marketing. The RSPB is so hungry for money that it has been gratuitously misleading donors. When potential donors have seen the promise on its home page to spend ‘90p in every pound’ on conservation they have assumed that it means 90p in every pound they give goes on conservation.

 

Not so. The Charity Commission website shows that only 68p has gone on these charitable purposes. Now, following discussions between You Forgot The Birds and the Charity Commission, the regulator has told the RSPB to ‘correct its statement’. The RSPB has been misleading donors and competing unfairly with other charities.

 

Of the 68p left for charitable purposes, only 24p went on its nature reserves – the bit where birds actually get looked after. The RSPB’s focus has instead been on its ever growing fundraising army. Your donations pay for its 405 fundraisers to ask you for more money so that they can employ more fundraisers to ask you for still more money.

 

Even the RSPB’s remaining friends are disturbed by its obsession with money. The editor of Birdwatch magazine was brave enough last month to suggest that £6 million spent on TV advertising would have been better devoted to nature reserves.

 

Scandal 3

 

At least in its core activity of running its nature reserves the RSPB must be very good? Well, not if you ask the birds. Time and again Britain’s endangered birds give a thumbs down to hanging out at RSPB reserves. There’s a great farmer down in Kent called Philip Merricks. His land is lapwing heaven. They breed away merrily. Next door at the RSPB reserve it’s lapwing hell. For every 100 lapwing chicks that successfully fledge on the farmer’s land, the RSPB manages only eight.

 

Why does the RSPB fail in places like Kent? It’s simple. The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds doesn’t do enough to protect birds.

 

Everyone in the countryside knows that ground nesting birds have no chance if their homes are shared with foxes and crows. These predators steal eggs and eat baby chicks. If you don’t protect birds from predators they don’t survive. That leads to:

 

Scandal 4

 

The RSPB hides from us the predator control it does do. Have you ever received a mailshot from the RSPB telling you about the hundreds of foxes it shoots? Or the thousand deer? Didn’t think so. For some reason the marketing team avoid sending you images of Bambi’s mother after the RSPB had shot her dead. Nor do they want you to dwell on how your donations are being spent on bullets.

 

The RSPB’s ‘Vote for Bob’ marketing campaign features a cute looking red squirrel, but forgets to tell you that the way to save red squirrels is to kill grey squirrels.

 

Nature is full of hard choices, not cotton wool. If the RSPB really cared about wild birds it would campaign about our domestic cats which, to be blunt, butcher millions of birds every year.

 

But that would upset the donors. It would also be an inconvenient truth for it to say that our beloved songbirds cannot cope with the soaring numbers of birds of prey which wipe them out on our bird tables.

Scandal 5

 

Just think that you are a migrating bird which has managed that long, long flight from Africa. Weary and tired, you encounter one of Britain’s thousands of bird mangling machines. Since wind farms are deadly to birds, you would expect the RSPB to be against them. Not in the slightest. Because much more important than protecting birds is protecting the planet from climate change.

 

So the RSPB enthusiastically backs its business partners (who must love the RSPB camouflage) to build ever more bird blenders in the sky. The end justifies the means. Now, climate change is important. The charities which do research on climate change and help us become more energy efficient have an important role.

 

But if you give to the RPSB you probably wish the money was going on looking after birds, not paying for blokes in suits to do political lobbying in Brussels.

 

Scandal 6

 

There’s a reason why the RPSB puts so much effort into keeping its nominal membership above one million – so that it can intimidate politicians. And farmers. And everyone else who stands in the way of its world view. Am I making my case too strongly? No.

 

For the dirty little secret in Whitehall is that the environment department, Defra, and Natural England are scared of the RSPB. They do nothing without its permission. Policy sits on shelves for years because the RSPB doesn’t approve.

 

 

 

As a young Somerset batsman, Botham (above) once had a cricket ball knock out some of his teeth. He spat them out and played on until his team won. He hasn't changed

 

We will see it this week when the RSPB again blocks a scheme that would increase the number of hen harriers. The key reason the RSPB keeps obstructing this scheme is not because its donors are opposed – they overwhelmingly support it. It’s because the hen harrier is such a useful fundraising tool.

 

Scandal 7

 

The mark of a dictatorship is that when they do elections they ensure that the number of candidates equals the number of jobs.

 

So guess what happened last weekend in the election for the RSPB’s governing council? Yes – three candidates for three jobs.

 

I have a dream that the RSPB will one day represent all who care passionately about bird life – not just a narrow clique.

 

So next year I will be offering some competition by putting together a list of reform-minded candidates to start cleaning out the mess created by the current leadership.

 

One final thought. Last week the RSPB threatened You Forgot The Birds with legal action.

 

Since the RSPB employs five law firms – with your donations – I await the legal letters.

 

But while politicians are intimidated, I am not.

 

As a young Somerset batsman, I once had a cricket ball knock out some of my teeth. I spat them out and played on until we won. I’ve not changed.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3HwnEMymH

Interesting reading Ian.

[paddymac]

http://www.youforgotthebirds.com/