peter pandy Posted November 21, 2015 Report Posted November 21, 2015 Just been reading about Diahorea and how it can come about quite severely in humans due to an over production of Bile. Is their a possibility that this is what instigates YBS in birds when they have been stressed perhaps the previous day. I have been told that YBS appears next day after a race or training toss but I am writing from inexperience as I have never had it only listening to others. Their appears to be the theory that it is contagious but that would have to be discounted due to the fact that not all the birds in the loft contract it. however it can in humans be brought on by stress. who is to say the birds but not all have not been stressed when spooked by a raptor when out excercising the previous day as what I have been told it appears overnight with loose slimy droppings suggesting an over abundance of Acid Bile produced by the Kidneys which only require detoxification to correct it. Just food for thought..
peter pandy Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Posted November 21, 2015 Wet cankerI know what Canker looks like Steve but what is Wet Canker ??.
Delboy Posted November 21, 2015 Report Posted November 21, 2015 Peter, go out to your loft just now with a torch and if you see any birds stretching their beaks as if yawning then they have wet canker.
buster151 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Peter, go out to your loft just now with a torch and if you see any birds stretching their beaks as if yawning then they have wet canker. How would you treat for wet canker
buster151 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Just done a search and surprised to see so much information out there about wet canker
dal2 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 I only put it forward as an idea. Wet canker would seem to hold most of the signs we associate with the ybs ie crop retention, vomiting and loose droppings. Stress would deffo fit with the times I have had it, bad toss or race seemed to trigger things
kingziemckay Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 How would you treat for wet canker ronidazole,turbosole, 10% 2 to 3 days
William Reid Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 I know what Canker looks like Steve but what is Wet Canker ??.Crop canker when young birds have it and when old birds are infected some call it travel sickness. JMO
dal2 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Crop canker when young birds have it and when old birds are infected some call it travel sickness. JMO How would you distinguish between travel sickness and illness?
William Reid Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 How would you distinguish between travel sickness and illness?Had one cock this year who was unlucky enough to get infected with travel sickness . Seven days with turbosole in the water no more travel sickness. JMHO.
dal2 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Had one cock this year who was unlucky enough to get infected with travel sickness . Seven days with turbosole in the water no more travel sickness. JMHO.Take it any bird that spews the corn up is ill?
William Reid Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Take it any bird that spews the corn up is ill?You asked about travel sickness. If you remove a pigeon from your loft and put it in the basket and about thirty seconds later before it has traveled and it is being sick to me that is a problem. But an easy fix .
dal2 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 You asked about travel sickness. If you remove a pigeon from your loft and put it in the basket and about thirty seconds later before it has traveled and it is being sick to me that is a problem. But an easy fix .Ye that's a deffo. I have seen birds throw up in the basket after travelling but didn't think it required a course of treatment. How would we know what was wrong with it?
Wiley Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Had one cock this year who was unlucky enough to get infected with travel sickness . Seven days with turbosole in the water no more travel sickness. JMHO. Billy, did you test the theory again when the bird had the same type of food in its crop?
William Reid Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Ye that's a deffo. I have seen birds throw up in the basket after travelling but didn't think it required a course of treatment. How would we know what was wrong with it?Can only speak for my self Steven but for me food retention with pigeons = crop canker.
William Reid Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Billy, did you test the theory again when the bird had the same type of food in its crop?Ryan I only raced 8 cocks and the one bag of feeding was used the full race card
Wiley Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Ryan I only raced 8 cocks and the one bag of feeding was used the full race card But did you test it when the bird had food in its crop again? And was the food a light and easily digestible mixture?
William Reid Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 But did you test it when the bird had food in its crop again? And was the food a light and easily digestible mixture?Hopefully this will answer your question . On the Friday when basketing the cocks for the race and not been in the basket all week as they were on W/H I had the one cock being sick he was removed from the basket and returned to the loft . When I got back from the club treatment started and was in the drinking water till following Friday the birds had the same feeding regime . The following Friday the cock was put in the basket for the race and was fine. Does that count as a test
peter pandy Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Posted November 22, 2015 In my last sentence #1, I inadvertantly printed "KIDNEY" producing Acid Bile when it should have read LIVER. I am still of the opinion that this is what gives wet slimy droppings and not wet canker in the crop. I suffer from excess acid which unless treated not only produces Heart Burn but extreme Diahorea. One cure for this malady is to up the Fibre intake and decrease the Sugar and Fats. Many mixtures now contain low fibre and high fat contents unlike years ago when most mixtures were Beans,Peas and Maize. The more I read about YBS by manufacturers of products the more convincing it would appear that they dont know either what the cure is as the amount of products for sale all differ with no hard and fast cure. JMO for what its worth..
eastcoaster Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Take it any bird that spews the corn up is ill?Before most nationals my birds throw up and most races but they are not ill , my belief is that they know what is coming and are getting rid of excess or are nervous .It may be some are not right but have seen some top blokes birds chuck up in baskets while at marking so not something that worries me .
peter pandy Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Posted November 22, 2015 Many moons ago the wife said to me you can get that basket of birds off the back seat in the car and put them in the boot. That was the first time my birds chucked up and every time without fail they puked when shut in the boot.Started putting them back in the back seat and sickness stopped, put them in the boot when the wife was coming with me and puke in the basket so banned the wife from the car and bought her her own one {old banger}, car not wife. Proven Conclusion,, Not all puking down to Canker.
dal2 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Who'd of known......am no mental after all.......unless you F****rs are to lol
eastcoaster Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Who'd of known......am no mental after all.......unless you F****rs are to lolYou sure lol
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