europa classic one loft race

[eastcoaster]

 

  I have recived an email from derek nicols with a statement that will be in the bhw next week, and the basic`s of which are they never applied for a licence this year or any other year and do not need one ! So We Will Be SENDING 8) ;D

[gangster]

WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOES THAT MEAN BIG DIRKS BIGGER THAN THE GOVERNING BODY  OR HE DOES NOT ABIDE BY THE RULES  OR DID HE REALLY NEED A LICENSE IN THE 1ST PLACE.....

[PIGEON_MAN]

  I have recived an email from derek nicols with a statement that will be in the bhw next week, and the basic`s of which are they never applied for a licence this year or any other year and do not need one ! So We Will Be SENDING 8) ;D

 

Just looking back at the advert in the BHW and I quote,It was a unanimous decision of the Welsh RPRA Region that no licences are to be granted to the Europa Classic One Loft Race(applied for by the New Century F.C.)If Mr.Nicholls is saying they never applied for a licence what as the New Century F.C.got to do with the race.

[gangster]

Gossip Gossip Gossip

 

SOMEONE PUSHING YOUR BUTTONS IAN!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[eastcoaster]

 

  Bottom line is if you have entered in the past you will make up your own mind !! If you have no wish to enter or never have stop scare mongering other fanciers who may wish to. if you have any doubts phone or email them.

[Guest]

Eastcoaster that's a bit of censorship, I reckon......who are you to tell people that they can't discuss this on a forum set up to discuss such a matter if there are concerns about it?

The bottom line has now moved on, .....you appear to be speaking form authority, has the Europa race applied for a licence via the flying club mentioned?

And secondly IF the WHU has turned down the licence, why?? There must be a worry??

[Diamond dave]

I took my entry accross on Friday (before I had even seen the BHW). They accepted my entry with nothing said about a license?????

If they have not needed a license in previous years why should they need one this year?

 

Its a fantastic set up and very well organised with the birds going through a strict quarantine regime in batches.

 

I particularly like the way they are kept in vast aviaries during the 30 days of quarantine so the birds have the ability to obtain thier bearings.

 

However, from a sentimental point of view, I couldnt help thinking that my 3 little pets will lose all of thier identity with so many birds in the lofts. But I,m not really worried cos they,ll they get it back when they win the final race!!!!!!

 

D.D.

[eastcoaster]

attached is a copy of an email I got, hope this clarifies everything.

 

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR BHW

 

PRESS RELEASE/WEB SITE

 

 

 

Dear Editor

 

May I reply to the outrageous letter in last weeks issue from the Welsh region of the RPRA.

 

Which stated that they had decided to not grant an open race licence for the Europa classic one loft race!

 

 

 

Firstly the Europa classic one loft race has never applied for an open race licence from the RPRA welsh region nor does it ever wish to.

 

 

 

Secondly Europa Auctions has conducted business in the pigeon world for over 25 years, buying and selling birds, producing and selling specialist pigeon video films, conducting auctions and indeed owning and running the biggest one loft race in Europe.

 

 

 

None of these business ventures have ever been licensed by the RPRA ! We are however licensed/registered by the customs and excise VAT trading standards various trade bodies IAPPR etc etc bodies that are the fit and proper place to register/license business’s.

 

 

 

Which the RPRA Welsh region is not.

 

 

 

As a business we have invested over a quarter of a million pounds in lofts, transporters and land to achieve what is todays Europa classic.

 

 

 

Now if the welsh region thinks that we are stupid enough to spend all that and let them or anyone else decide our destiny, without being liable for their actions in law, or to act in a reasonable and professional manner taking decisions only for the right reasons and only with good reason,

 

they are sadly mistaken. We are running a professional business, that abides by all the laws and best possible business practice.

 

 

 

Thirdly all that said and done I don’t care what the welsh region wants to do, as long as they don’t deliberately try to beesmirch the repuatation of the Europa classic race, or Europa auctions, the only possible reason they could have had to print what they did last week. Was to in some way to try and defame the race, and try to put our customers old and potentially new flyers off, by inferring there was something wrong with the race by refusing to licence it.

 

Despite the fact we have never asked for the race to be licensed!

 

 

 

However for the last 5 years my pigeon club has helped with the race mainly in the field of entertainment, food and beverage etc, and as a courtessey to the RPRA, they haved applied to the region for an open race licence.

 

Just to keep them involved and informed really,

 

essentially to say they are not running a business just providing fellow pigeon flyers with entertainment, food and drink and into the bargain they as a club have made a few quid,  without involving the tax and vat people. Because they are running a private event for their members anf gusets only.

 

 

 

Without going into to much detail what has happened in previous years is New century flying club obtains an open race licence, offers a package deal for their services to the race, and then  Europa auctions offers them a franchise on the race, every body is happy.

 

 

 

However until the franchise is granted usually in June

 

All the new century club has done is get an open race licence for the same date as the Europa classic, after that  they put forward a package to us, then if the deal is right for us, we offer them a franchise.

 

 

 

If the deal is not right for Europa auctions,

 

The club don’t get the franchise and I suppose they throw the open race license in the bin and lose the £5 it cost them?

 

 

 

Untill we make that offer  the new century flying club can not use our trade name, and the RPRA can certainly not say they have refused the Europa classic anything.

 

 

 

To be absolutely clear Europa auctions Europa classic race, has no direct dealings with the RPRA welsh region what so ever, they only deal with the New Century flying club among many others the RPRA is just a third party

 

Who deal with the new century FC not Europa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UNLESS WE GET AN IMMEIDATE RETRACTION AND APOLAGIE FROM THE WELSH REGION OF THE RPRA WE WILL BE TAKING LEGAL ACTION

 

You have been warned !

 

 

 

On a personal note it really does sadden me that the people who are supposed to be running the sport, for the good of the sport. Can behave in such a way, from what I can only imagine is for reasons of spite and jealousy as they have offered no other explanation to the new century flying club, who are just trying to provide a very good service and make a few quid along the way.

 

It could have been so different god knows I have tried.

 

 

 

  I even donated 50% of the auction proceeds from the first Europa classic which amounted to a tidy four figure sum, to the Welsh region RPRA.

 

All I asked in return was that it be used to promote the sport of pigeon racing, for the youth of south wales, and to let me know how it was used.

 

Well I never  did get told what they did with the money,

 

And have not heard anything about the money I gave them, since I decided not to give them any proceeds from the second race or subsequent auctions OR PERHAPS THAT’S THE PROBLEM !

 

 

 

Yours Far to busy at the lofts

 

To put up with pigeon politics

 

 

 

Derek Nicholls

 

Owner Europa Auctions

 

 

 

 

 

 

[andy]

FANTASTIC REPLY DEREK.........MINE ON THEIR WAY NEXT WEEK...."NEW LOTHIAN SYNDICATE"

[gangster]

WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT ALL IN ONE GO!!!!!!!!! SO THAT KILLS ALL ROUMERS STONE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmy white]

good luck to all who have entered including ,,,me ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

heres a good rumour for u ,i know someone that bought one of the birds advertised for sale in the bhw ie :the birds that raced and advertised wot position they came back and so on .. at the auction... that didnt actually fly the race!!! but came back(after being lost) after the final race birds had been shipped to the racepoint.....paul

[Roundo]

That's good enough for me.

 

My entrants are on their way tomorrow.

 

Good luck to everyone that enters.

 

Roundo.

 

[Guest]

This is the first in four years that i am not sending to the race but that is because i moved house and all that that entailed but if you go down to the final race you can see for your self the work and atention to detail thease people have put into it i must admit i thaught that they raced under lience to the rpra as it it advertised along with the race and their was one or two things that i didnt agree with but i have sooken to them about that and all going well i will be there next year that weekend makes blackpool look like a night in your local you have got to be there to see what i mean (Exelent is the only word!!)

[Guest]

it was me roundo m8...i bought a bird that was advertised as taking a position in that race (well pleased with the bird i was and i got no complaints about that) the person who had entered the bird wasnt too happy though! and a well known southern flyer!

he allegedly had words with who ever answered the phone about this incident.

i know this as i phoned the owner of the pigeon i bought to ask about its history.im happy with the bird ,and ive been to the lofts which i think are brill. as u know there must be incidents happening in any race of this kind ..as we all know ..u cant make an omelette without breaking some eggs!...paul

 

ps birds have plenty of room there!.

[Guest]

Suspect this dispute may run:

 

Can't see RPRA flagging up the need for a licence if it wasn't a requirement. SHU Rule Book p9 Rules (1), (2) and (3) covers race licenses and prevents members participating in unlicensed races, so I expect similar rules apply in other Unions too?

[Roundo]

That's good enough for me.

 

My entrants are on their way tomorrow.

 

Good luck to everyone that enters.

 

Roundo.

 

Sorry for not being a bit clearer invincible spirit, I was actually referring to Derek's reply.

 

I'm certainly looking forward to my trip down to see Derek and also view the fantastic setup.

 

All the best.

 

Roundo.

[Guest]

I look forward to the next installment. Will threats of litigation shut people up???

The Whu and RPRA are governing bodies of our sport, they are us, if they misrepreent us then they can and should be removed.........however I have no reason to believe that they are not representing 'us'. To ask for a financial contribution is not untoward , .........a quarter of a million invested, hell what a business to be in, , I assume Europa are up to thier neck in debt and it will take a good few years to get that back, it would be perhaps unreasonable to ask for a contribution.......but then again every business whether at startup or when flourishing makes some sort of contributon.

I find it interesting that Europa thinks it should have a say in the money it contributed to the WHU,........ because it did not have a say it will no longer contribute???? Or was it that first time it was  good PR to get the thing off the ground, now its up and running and presumably doing very well thank you, Europa tink they are big enough to tell the WHU to get stuffed, do they perhaps show alittle more deference to the RPRA because they have a bit more clout /power?

When we pay our taxes we do not have a direct say in how the Government uses our taxes, we can however use the ballot box to register our feelings...........is Europa bigger than democracy itself, they have the power to tell the governing body how they will use the donation/tax? If they want to exercise their power they do it through their pigeon club and remove the officers/committee of the Union democratically. By the way who are the members of this club, where are they based and why do they let Europa tell them what to do? If they are a properly constituted club and I assume from Europa's letter they are (because they apply to the RPRA for a licence), does their minute book show the decisions that have been made about the race, the funds, who shall be paid, forgive me for asking this but could this be a club set up as a Quango for the one loft race?..............am I getting this wrong Europa run the race so why are they involved with this pigeon club I'd like to know, are they members of the club? It doesn't add up for me......and I hate it when people threaten litigation as a first resort, it always makes me think they're plain bullies.

[Ian McKay]

Aberdeen pigeons left today ! !

 

Go Derek GO  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P

[Ian McKay]

If you give a sizable donation to any cause with a specific request it is usually accepted on these conditions if you are not prepared to accept the conditions you should return the gift.

[harky]

Aberdeen pigeons left today ! !

 

Go Derek GO  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P

 

;D ;D ;D so did the wishy ones ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

Ian a gift is a gift unless conditions are specified....if they were prior to the gift being given that's fine, but as an afterthought no.

Strange its gone quiet on the issues nobody seems to want to look at these........... mind you if I'd spent a few hundred quid entering birds I suppose I wouldn't want the race scuppered...........there are two sides to every story, I hope they both come out and neither is suppressed

[Guest]

Ian would still be interested to know why you think the RPRA would be stupid not to grant a licence

[Ian McKay]

Hi Alan

A simple letter of thanks and an explination as to how the money was used would suffice.If someone gave me a donation for my organisation I would make a point of knowing what it was to be used for.I have this situation in my own Fed at the moment and have had to look closely as to what the donation was for, some people are suggesting a slight change but as the donation was for a specific issue that will be what it is used for.

 

The name Europa is a trade registered name of Dereks business this has been taken into disrepute, so the Welsh region of the RPRA may think this is final and binding but Derek has the right to lawfull recourse of action.

 

This is only my opinion on reading the article printed in the BHW

I wonder why the Welsh region decided to print it in the letters page.I find that strange.

I believe the Southern region has suspended some members. I did not see that printed in the letters page. There are probably a lot of other disputes within the RPRA regions but I do not seen these printed in the letters page.

Now before anyone asks I am not a member of the RPRA I am only giving my opinion on a letter printed for all to see and feel I am entitled to comment.I am also answering question asked of me.

Cheers

Ian

[Guest]

I too thought it was a strange thing to appear in the letter's page; it looked more like an announcement to me and I think it would have been better presented as an article that clearly showed it to be RPRA Western Region business. And as an announcement I thought it was pretty poor:   They give their Decision, but without any background info, or reason for that decision.

 

Another rain forest about to be felled for newsprint to run this story I fear.