National or Not?

[cemetary]

Hary thats all you seem to be doing these days, is banging your own drum, i can hear it from hear.  ;D ;D ;D

[DOVEScot]

Hary thats all you seem to be doing these days, is banging your own drum, i can hear it from hear.  ;D ;D ;D

 

Aye, he's no getting on the commitee, you widnae hear anything for his big drummmmmmm ;D ;D ;D

[cemetary]

Your right there Duncan, ave heard owe about it.

 

He wants to be in charge awe the time.

[THE FIFER]

 

No what I was suggesting was a federation of all nationals if you had Sco, Eng, Ire and Wls running their own nationals, the federation could be a commitee of two from each nation

John o Groats to Landsend is 822 miles by road, the widest part of the mainland is less than 400 miles so you are very restricted to the distance you can race within the uk

 

sorry duncan, i was not answering ur post when i said " why have an organisation north of the border when its run by those south of the border " can it be scottish ? I was reffering to the recent times, ie: scottish organisations governed from down south, (England)

 

 

[Guest]

I'm in the process of setting up a new irish national club. Its called The Mayo National Flying Club and is open to all flying members in Mayo, Ireland. As i am possibly the only pigeon racer in mayo, by this time next year i could of won in Excess of 20 x 1st national's, surely a record???

 

May breed quite a few YBs to sell to those fanciers who do not know any better, prices from £500 each. PM me for details.   :)

 

[peterpau]

NFC do not allow channel isles to race so can't be a national midland national obvious misnomer BICC simply an international club which allows all members from the mainland to compete in the internationals BBC therefore must be the only National in the country

[DOVEScot]

 

sorry duncan, i was not answering ur post when i said " why have an organisation north of the border when its run by those south of the border " can it be scottish ? I was reffering to the recent times, ie: scottish organisations governed from down south, (England)

 

 

Totally agree, Scotland regards anything should be run by Scotland, same as any of the rest, Uk should be run by a cross section of the uk not just one part of it whether it be Eng, Sco, Ire or Wls if it is a level playing field :-/

[DOVEScot]

I'm in the process of setting up a new irish national club. Its called The Mayo National Flying Club and is open to all flying members in Mayo, Ireland. As i am possibly the only pigeon racer in mayo, by this time next year i could of won in Excess of 20 x 1st national's, surely a record???

 

May breed quite a few YBs to sell to those fanciers who do not know any better, prices from £500 each. PM me for details.   :)

 

Correct, it happens a lot more than you think, sadly it impresses the hell out of some that are not aware of it's true worth.

[THE FIFER]

Scottish organisations with the RPRA are in a region, CUMBRIA region, wich covers CUMBRIA, SCOTLAND, and the ISLE of MAN,  :-/

[DOVEScot]

Your right there Duncan, ave heard owe about it.

 

He wants to be in charge awe the time.

 

He is away the toss his birds from favourite lib point "DRUM BRAE" EDINBURGH  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[DOVEScot]

Scottish organisations with the RPRA are in a region, CUMBRIA region, wich covers CUMBRIA, SCOTLAND, and the ISLE of MAN,  :-/

 

This is old hat spit of the UK, Scotland being a region of one along with NI and Wales, England being a region containing seven at least. I used to fight in these competitions, two from each region, two from scotland and 14+ from England took a bit of beating but we did it at times although the odds are stacked against you, as you can see.

Now sports have move on due to our shake up of the sports council, Sport Scotland now have 3 or 4 regions with Scotland, and we now have Sport England instead of the Sports Council of GB

If pigeon racing becomes recognised as a sport then these guide lines will have to be followed if you want to join sport governing bodies like Sport Scotland :-/

[DOVEScot]

but hey what about the weather , o.k. it could be lovely down south , but persisting of rain right from east to west and in to ireland and wales and north as far as you go , could be tried ,in the continent its flatter and all these countries lie on each others doorstep  but yo could be right little man worth a shot nothing ventured nothing gained  

 

Harry can you spot us  ;D ;D ;D

Lets join the Jupiter race programme, earth is the small one  ;D

[THE FIFER]

The SNRPC is a true national in every meaning of the word,its open to the whole country,you dont have to be a member of a particular organisation.As long as you are a member of rpra or shu you can join and race.and now we have a scottish section with the nfc,so for me thats what i would call a national. 8) 8) 8)

 

 

So what does RPRA rule 158, mean, quote: NATIONAL or SPECIALIST CLUBS, "All members of a National or Specialist Clubs shall be required to notify the secretary of the club of the identity of the Local Region of which the member is a member" unquote, so as i see it you have to be a member of a RPRA region to be a member of a National or Specialist club, ??????

 

 

[rembrant2coo]

 

sorry duncan, i was not answering ur post when i said " why have an organisation north of the border when its run by those south of the border " can it be scottish ? I was reffering to the recent times, ie: scottish organisations governed from down south, (England)

 

 

archie the s.n.r.p.c. is not governed by any english outfit ,be it the n.f.c. bicc ,bbc, or even itv the scottish national racing pigeon club is solely independent to anybody else , THE SAINTES RACE is a one off at this moment in time , and as i,ve stated which you have failed to realise is we are getting transported with the n.f.c.for one race and one race only

nothing to do with anyone else , and to do that we had to join , what the hell is wrong with that, does it annoy you all that the snrpc is forward thinking , and they have sought out

away to get extreme distance racing for its members , i think so , and further more

i could see a big picture of some others having diffculty accepting the fact that they are on the up and the future looks really bright for the S.N.R.P.C.              

 

   CHEERS AND I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A NICE WEEK-END BECAUSE I WILL I,M GETTING    TO F--- OUT OF HERE FOR THE WEEK-END

 

[johno]

i would suggest anyone wanting to know the situation contact the committe by letter. there seems to be a fair bit of confusion on here. most of what i see is questionable re the situation with the saintes race. no individual on here represents the view of any organisation all posts are individual and opinions of the individual posting them. anyone wanting to know the nfc positon regarding scottish fanciers flying with the nfc contact sid barkel direct / sid.barkel@btconnect.com. anyone wishing to know the position with the snrpc and the saintes set up contact jessie keir / jessiekeir@yahoo.com

when i see the posts about being governed by any english outfit it worries me immensely. rembrant2coo is posting his ill informed opinion and has no authority to post on any one elses behalf.

[Roland]

Swilcox wrote...

NOW THATS A NATIONAL!!!

 

Sad thing is, we in this country can run such a blue event if it was lead from the top.

end of quote.

 

Two things there Stu that will make sure that it will never happen unfortunately!

One unless they can benefit and WIN/ OR NIGH then they won't bother, let alone push it, and definately wouldn't try and drum up support.

the days of no hopers filling up the coffers for the positioned are long gone... just a few drewamers with a whim and a prayer left.

The Up North combine for instance is a far far better meriteous  race than any National here is, and has any right to be.

Untill the selfish powers to be realize that MOST can only fly for section meiteous on THEIR' day and allow THEM to compete on a field where it is at least - weather permitted - catered for them, than once again fancier may just have a go at the SECTION credits with a wing and a prayer that it just mite, just might, just might that one in a 100 year day when it will be in their favour to a degree, they just might spend a few quiddies on a hope and prayer. BUT they certainly won't, not could be enticed to throw away good hard earnt cash filling some more fortunate ones coffers, especially when it would be better spent combtting the cost of corn and fuel!

They have killed it for them selfs. Even our Fed is at it by pushing further to a Westerly liberation whenever possible, and they with a few gukkibles vote it that way... and more say 'Stuff you Jack, I'll take up fishing'!

[rembrant2coo]

i would suggest anyone wanting to know the situation contact the committe by letter. there seems to be a fair bit of confusion on here. most of what i see is questionable re the situation with the saintes race. no individual on here represents the view of any organisation all posts are individual and opinions of the individual posting them. anyone wanting to know the nfc positon regarding scottish fanciers flying with the nfc contact sid barkel direct / sid.barkel@btconnect.com. anyone wishing to know the position with the snrpc and the saintes set up contact jessie keir / jessiekeir@yahoo.com

when i see the posts about being governed by any english outfit it worries me immensely. rembrant2coo is posting his ill informed opinion and has no authority to post on any one elses behalf.

 

i,m posting on my behalf as it was they who were at me , my opinion was passed as a member not anything else , and like you it worried me also they werethinking differently

about the n.f.c. and if you read my post again you will find that the whole national or not post was getting taken out of context completely by other members on site on my part

i was defending myself and the snrpc , but you will hear no more from me johno as i

noticed you maybe looked on ,but you never dug your heels in to defend your national club at anytime the balls were getting flung around

[johno]

harry i got ten years for standing against what i felt and still fell is wrong. i dont stand on the sidelines i say what i feel is right. when i feel i need to say it.  sometimes saying nothing is much more effective than saying the wrong thing.

[Novice]

I will post this hoping to clarify this discussion.

1 For reasons we all know about the SNFC decided to expell some members approximately 4 years ago. By virtue of this restriction of membership the SNFC lost the right to call itself a National.  

2 To continue racing from 500 miles + these expelled fanciers formed their own club.

3 This club has the right to call itself a National club as it is the only club in the country open to all fanciers with lofts situated in this country. This club is the SNRPC.

4 The SHU attempted to have approximately 180 fanciers banned from racing pigeons. I am happy to say this bid failed.

5 During the split many fanciers were treated in a despicable manner which means the split will be very difficult to reverse.

 

Hopefully the above has established the right of the SNRPC to call itself a National club being the only club in Scotland open to all lofts situated in Scotland.

 

During the last 2 seasons there was a desire expressed by some of the members to compete in an extreme distance race. This was organised and we now will be racing from Saintes convoyed by the NFC.

The initial intention was to make this a National race (open to all lofts in Scotland) This would have been a stand alone race.

Now we have a representative on the NFC committee and we are competing as Section M of the NFC for all those who wish to join that organisation. That means we have a National race but also duplicated into the NFC for all who wish to compete at this level.

It would be unlikely that we would rival fanciers on the South coast but there are always pigeons which give that supreme effort and it would be good to see that recognised.

Yes---there is a concern that the birds could be liberated with favourable weather conditions in England and unfavourable north of the border. This is the main reason why we are convoying to the Gold Medal Race in our own transport.

 

During seasons 2006 and 2007 the SNRPC did have a marking station at Beith for both the Inland National and Gold Medal National (open to all fanciers with lofts in Scotland). This marking station was a success in 2006 but a complete failure in 2007. The main reason for this was the fact that Ayrshire fanciers are only interested in competing for a Mickey Mouse Average Trophy (only open to members of Ayrshire Federation and therefore not a National competition). Ayrshire fanciers seem happy to be a big fish in a small pond rather than a small fish in a big pond.

Yes this marking station was an effort to encourage Ayrshire fanciers to move out of their comfort zone.

I know as I organised and ran the Station. Incidentally I have also won the Average Trophy on more occasions than I care to mention.

 

I hope the above clarifies the discussion.        

[retired]

Novice may i ask why there were 180 members that they attempted to ban, just for my own curiousity really ?

[Guest]

I will post this hoping to clarify this discussion.

1 For reasons we all know about the SNFC decided to expell some members approximately 4 years ago. By virtue of this restriction of membership the SNFC lost the right to call itself a National.  

2 To continue racing from 500 miles + these expelled fanciers formed their own club.

3 This club has the right to call itself a National club as it is the only club in the country open to all fanciers with lofts situated in this country. This club is the SNRPC.

4 The SHU attempted to have approximately 180 fanciers banned from racing pigeons. I am happy to say this bid failed.

5 During the split many fanciers were treated in a despicable manner which means the split will be very difficult to reverse.

 

Hopefully the above has established the right of the SNRPC to call itself a National club being the only club in Scotland open to all lofts situated in Scotland.

 

During the last 2 seasons there was a desire expressed by some of the members to compete in an extreme distance race. This was organised and we now will be racing from Saintes convoyed by the NFC.

The initial intention was to make this a National race (open to all lofts in Scotland) This would have been a stand alone race.

Now we have a representative on the NFC committee and we are competing as Section M of the NFC for all those who wish to join that organisation. That means we have a National race but also duplicated into the NFC for all who wish to compete at this level.

It would be unlikely that we would rival fanciers on the South coast but there are always pigeons which give that supreme effort and it would be good to see that recognised.

Yes---there is a concern that the birds could be liberated with favourable weather conditions in England and unfavourable north of the border. This is the main reason why we are convoying to the Gold Medal Race in our own transport.

 

During seasons 2006 and 2007 the SNRPC did have a marking station at Beith for both the Inland National and Gold Medal National (open to all fanciers with lofts in Scotland). This marking station was a success in 2006 but a complete failure in 2007. The main reason for this was the fact that Ayrshire fanciers are only interested in competing for a Mickey Mouse Average Trophy (only open to members of Ayrshire Federation and therefore not a National competition). Ayrshire fanciers seem happy to be a big fish in a small pond rather than a small fish in a big pond.

Yes this marking station was an effort to encourage Ayrshire fanciers to move out of their comfort zone.

I know as I organised and ran the Station. Incidentally I have also won the Average Trophy on more occasions than I care to mention.

 

I hope the above clarifies the discussion.        

 

the best post on this topic so far mate,well done. 8) 8) 8)

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the best post on this topic so far mate,well done. 8) 8) 8)

 

Only because it went off topic Vincent   ;D

 

 

[Guest]

 

Only because it went off topic Vincent   ;D

 

 

The thread went off topic,and the response to the current posts were accurate and precise,so well done again 8) 8) 8)

[THE FIFER]

 

Few years since i was BICC sec but you used to ask who their subs were paid to and their loft no the members loft no will show what region they are under like LN is London SO is southern

 

 

 

not trying to start any argument, all organisations are doing well, but the confussion i get is sme being independant, and you dont have to be a member of this or that, so does the answer above about members of national;s having to give what region they are in not mean you have to be a member of the RPRA ? also if you are flying under a unions (be it RPRA SHU or what) how can you call yourself INDEPENDANT, and if you are flying with a organisation and you are not a member of their governing body, (WHOS RULES THEY ARE FLYING UNDER) how if you had too do you apeal to

 

 

[Guest]

1 For reasons we all know about the SNFC decided to expell some members approximately 4 years ago. By virtue of this restriction of membership the SNFC lost the right to call itself a National.

 

why did they get expelled?????