Racing Late Breds As Old Birds Next Year?

[Stu3y]

if i was to get some late breds now, to race in the old bird races next year, would they be any good or a waste of time?

 

ive lost aload of youngsters, hardly got any left to make a decent team for next year, so was considering getting some late breds now, training them and maybe get them in to the come back race at end of season (50 mile race) to give them a little bit of experience.

 

any good or waste of time?

just dont want an empty loft, was looking forward to racing the old birds next year

[walterboswell59]

forget the comeback race stu get them in a section on there own and out everyday untill there touring a good hour everyday for 2 or 3 weeks then give them six tosses from 10or12 miles and six from 20 miles and stop them but keep them in there own section and out everyday during winter no old birds to hold them back and they will fly all over the country for hours end of jan or start of feb start training again same place 10 or12 miles 10 tosses then same place 20 miles as offten as you can till the training vans start then get them in with other birds for a few tosses before racing starts to learn them to break ive done this the past 5 years and always get a turn with them but stop them after 4 or 5 races about 160 180 miles and put them by for the following year and there ready to go any distance hope this helps you m8

[Guest paulrstokes]

you can try, I do it every year train all winter and then you lose them in the first race.

 

I agree let them have there own section and let them do what they like.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

My latebreds are given the run of the loft, untrained. They start their training shortly after the others and don't start racing until June, getting up to 3 races out to 130 miles. I started with 25 and have 18 left. What happens next year, I don't know. Crystal ball stuff. prior to last year they were given the full race programme and I had very few left.

I know Walter has success with latebreds, so it is possible. finding the system to suit your racing programme and terrain, etc is the problem and this could differ dependent on these variable parameters.

I think the general rule is to remember they are YB's with yearling bodies and are out of proportion. Their YB feathers will not stand up to adverse conditions, so the only safe general rule is, be careful with them. Find a good one and it will repay your patience.

[alec guinness]

forget the comeback race stu get them in a section on there own and out everyday untill there touring a good hour everyday for 2 or 3 weeks then give them six tosses from 10or12 miles and six from 20 miles and stop them but keep them in there own section and out everyday during winter no old birds to hold them back and they will fly all over the country for hours end of jan or start of feb start training again same place 10 or12 miles 10 tosses then same place 20 miles as offten as you can till the training vans start then get them in with other birds for a few tosses before racing starts to learn them to break ive done this the past 5 years and always get a turn with them but stop them after 4 or 5 races about 160 180 miles and put them by for the following year and there ready to go any distance hope this helps you m8

 

 

Our system is not that far away from Walters although we train them through the winter,have scored with latebreds in later life from most of the SNFC races up to 600 mls.

[walterboswell59]

deff works if you put a bit of time and effort into them but the most important factor i think is they need to be good birds in the first place bred from good winning pigeons

[geordie1234]

Google chris gordon wild loft or palamos loft.... 365 days a year they fly out it gets filled with latebreds in their first year racing they go to 300 plus..

[geordie1234]

http://www.elimarpigeons.com/Article3/Gordon.htm

[Guest Paulo]

Ive had a tousing this year with young birds. I've flew a good YB in the past winning averages etc but with this being my first full year in my new club I decided I wanted to concentrate on OB racing and in particular the channel. Havent had a great season but all the OB's I have left 7 yearlings in total (started with 18) have flown the full programme and experienced long holdovers and been over the channel 2 to three times in some cases with everybird doing the channel at least once. Two hens chalked one out of Rheims 3rd club (450 miles) and 1 out of Buckingham 4th club (190 miles. In order to concentrate my efforts on the OB's I have just had my young birds on natural rather than darkness and my plan was to get three to four races out of them and stop them for next year so they had a good moult.

 

My plan went to rat as training has been bad with loads of clashing with a lot of fanciers in the north east experiencing big losses and I had a few bad tosses prior to the first race which meant me missing it until I had them on song again beating me home from training. I sent them to the second race which was flown this monday just gone (wakefield 80 miles). Most lofts had a tousing I sent the full team of 32 pigeons as I knew the moult would start affecting them big time soon. They came well at first and I had 5 on the clock just a little off the winning time with a total of 12 birds back in race time. They came well for most lofts then they just totally dried up!

 

Anyway I lost 12 in total with other losses including the winner missing birds ranging from 14's upwards. I've rested them and they recovered nicely flying a hour last night and then this morning problems.

 

I noticed on going on that one perch had loose droppings but put this down to the fact that I had a bird return from the race yesterday (had been in had a feed and had its ets ring nicked!).

 

Anyway basketed them up for a 40 mile chuck and when I got to my training point and took the baskets out and the hens had spewed in them. Had a long hard think and thought it might be due to I had fed a little too late last night and the travel had made them spew cause none of them were packed out totally with corn when I basketed them meaning its being digested.

 

Anyway took a chance and chucked them. Got home before them and 3 to 5 minutes later they all appeared full returns (its a new training point hence the lateness).

 

Anyway on closer inspection of the perches have found one or two spewed grains that must have been there this morning.

 

We have our third race from Newark (historically we always have a smash from here) this saturday what do I do?

 

1. Firstly do people think its definately YBS

 

2. If I miss Newark and treat I'm finished because they are starting to moult now and another week and a lot will be on the third to last two flights and their covers are going.

 

3. Do people think if I stop racing and keep training they will be ok next year as yearlings or is one race too little experience

 

4. My team has been decimated so can't really avoid any more big losses or Im finished

 

5. Ive paired my best pairs of stock up to take 16 latebreds off them to patch the team up and I will treat these like Walter has said.

 

Thanks for any advice

[Guest Paulo]

also Young Bird Sickness is rife in the North East this year

[geordie1234]

A lot of sickness about Lanarkshire this year aswell

[walterboswell59]

A lot of sickness about Lanarkshire this year aswell

its every where george lots dont know they have it some birds seem to be able to handle it better than others just like people i suppose

[Guest Paulo]

Been home at dinnertime to check on them and definately YBS oily green droppings and spew everywhere. Just shows how fast it comes on as they have been beating me easy training and exercising well. Got some good advice off people which I'm going to try. I don't think they will pull round this week for the race as we basket friday and next week I think the moult will be too far on with some of them to risk it. All of them have had one race Wakefield which isn't ideal. I'm going to put them right and then privately train to 50/60 mile once I have them coming off the short ones and then stop them for the season.

[tiger]

late breds I give them 5 or 6 tosses then locked up < DUE TWO BOPS > as yearlings race them out 300 mls and win with them but must be bred for the job , jmo ,

[WulDon]

A lot of sickness about Lanarkshire this year aswell

 

 

 

I'm still suffering from the sickness also, after Mondays race :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[Guest Paulo]

I'm still suffering from the sickness also, after Mondays race :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

Same for us Wuldon we had a reet clattering what a season its been!

[We man]

if i was to get some late breds now, to race in the old bird races next year, would they be any good or a waste of time?

 

ive lost aload of youngsters, hardly got any left to make a decent team for next year, so was considering getting some late breds now, training them and maybe get them in to the come back race at end of season (50 mile race) to give them a little bit of experience.

 

any good or waste of time?

just dont want an empty loft, was looking forward to racing the old birds next year

Late breds are not a waste of time "Stu3y"in my opinion,some of my best birds over the years were late bred so would say go ahead and try them,we always hear the same old stuff that they go down like "snow aff a dyke"the following year, well think about this,the same applies to thousands of yearlings who were hatched at the normal time as young birds, trained hard as young birds raced hard as young birds they go down as yearlings just the same but as we know many go on to great things,always do what you want to do and not what others want you to do,all the best with your late breds they will do you proud,again only my opinion.

[Delboy]

Latebreds are just the same as any other yb, no better , no worse they just need a little longer to gain experience. Most pigeons are shyte when it comes down to the business races regardless of when they are bred. If ye think different then ye are kidding yourself on imo.

[We man]

Latebreds are just the same as any other yb, no better , no worse they just need a little longer to gain experience. Most pigeons are shyte when it comes down to the business races regardless of when they are bred. If ye think different then ye are kidding yourself on imo.

Hear here,and good to hear that from yourself who has proved it,thanks.

[Delboy]

Hear here,and good to hear that from yourself who has proved it,thanks.

 

lol, I can prove most doos are shyte alright lol

[We man]

lol, I can prove most doos are shyte alright lol

LOL,me to.

[peterpau]

I can't help but think you've lost them because of sickness and bringing in late breds would just make things worse. I think your best plan is to keep your pen young bird free for six months and you'll be left with birds that have a better immunity to it.

[blaz]

forget the comeback race stu get them in a section on there own and out everyday untill there touring a good hour everyday for 2 or 3 weeks then give them six tosses from 10or12 miles and six from 20 miles and stop them but keep them in there own section and out everyday during winter no old birds to hold them back and they will fly all over the country for hours end of jan or start of feb start training again same place 10 or12 miles 10 tosses then same place 20 miles as offten as you can till the training vans start then get them in with other birds for a few tosses before racing starts to learn them to break ive done this the past 5 years and always get a turn with them but stop them after 4 or 5 races about 160 180 miles and put them by for the following year and there ready to go any distance hope this helps you m8

 

 

very good info again walter. i have been lucky enough to score out to 380 with latebreeds .stopping them around the 180 /200 mark i think would be best.made a mistake a few years back and sent 1 to ypres back in good time and is now the best breeding cock in loft. latebreeds can and have proved their just as good as yearlings.

[Guest paulrstokes]

thanks for that link ref wild loft, going to give that a try??

[gd]

I rung a late bred in 2011 with a 2010 ring , she was used as stock the next 2 years.

 

had her first race this year , but had been trained to 40 miles 2013.

 

Got on the combine sheet (unc) reims this year on her 5th race (122nd combine I think)

 

lost her at Bourges