Glasgow Fed GONE MAD..!!

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Im fully aware of that..

 

Just interesting to hear what others think..

[Guest frank dooman]

central/north west use coldstream but the most of them train from dunbar/hadington areas they to have used kelso but returns stoped that but they do sometime go back and forward between them so if there were any others they would have used  them

[Fair Play]

I don't remember being over as far as Dearham more M6 or so going North

Alan it's up to Arrocher   If the birds came up Loch Long they could well have came over the hotel if they came up Loch Lomond they could come up the valley between Tarbet and Arrocher

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Stb you talking bout Otterburn..??

 

Only been once and had 4/4..

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

did you not have 100% returns from cokenzie?

[Guest stb-]

Stb you talking bout Otterburn..??

 

Only been once and had 4/4..

 

you done alright at that,  but the post on here earlier in the season were of big losses when they went there.

 

 

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Well maybe not there then..

 

I just mean id rather skip straight to 100 miles at a point somewhere in the middle of the borders.. than race short races form the extreme east of me..

[bruno1]

Im not saying they wont fly over hills.. im saying they have never been known to fly over the hills east of where we live..

 

Which is where the early racepoints are, thus making them have to go south and dog leg in as some point..

 

As I said before, I lived in Helensburgh [and Dumbarton] for a time, travelling to Glasgow to work mostly by train, but had a motorbike for a while which I used to scout out the country. So I think I know the area and the main barriers: the Kilpatrick Hills running N/S, and the Campsies running E/W, and now living in the Falkirk area, I know that Campies become the Ochills north of the Forth Valley, and south is the Pentlands, both running E/W.

 

So coming off the East Coast it's likely your birds currently fly a treble dog-leg. [1] left off the Coast into the Forth Valley flying due West between Pentlands & Ochills / Campsies, [2] right into Clyde valley keeping west of Kilpatrick Hills then [3] right into Leven Valley at Dumbarton.

 

Well thats the drag. In Falkirk area there's a wide gap between the Ochills and Campies, and NW through that gap takes you behind the Campies and the Kilpatrick Hills. I've been over the northern bit [stirling / Jamestown] and to me it appears a flat plain rather than a valley, with the Vale at the western end of it. It was also a planned route for a ship canal connecting Long Long and the River Forth, with a tunnel at the western end, so if you can run a tanker through that area, you should also be able to get birds to fly through it.  

 

I agree with you that if your birds remain in the drag, there's little chance of winning.

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

did you not have 100% returns from cokenzie?

 

The only race i dropped doos was St. Boswells.. and that was a stinking balck day down this way..

 

But its just not about me.. theres 26 members in the club

 

[Guest frank dooman]

Well maybe not there then..

 

I just mean id rather skip straight to 100 miles at a point somewhere in the middle of the borders.. than race short races form the extreme east of me..

 

i can under stand that if  you were loseing birds from the shorter race points but you and the vast maj. of the fed got above 95% returns why risk it if you dont need to thats a long jump for y/birds 100mls 1st race????????

[ALF]

I don't remember being over as far as Dearham more M6 or so going North

Alan it's up to Arrocher   If the birds came up Loch Long they could well have came over the hotel if they came up Loch Lomond they could come up the valley between Tarbet and Arrocher

 

aye alright they came up to Arrochar mate ;D ;D ;D Malky's place is 100yds from he village pub and the doos came right over the top of the hill and over the back end main/roadside of the hotel  

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

But why do birds who have then done 2 or 3 Cockenzies go down once thy get to St. Boswells.. where are they going..??

[Guest frank dooman]

 

As I said before, I lived in Helensburgh [and Dumbarton] for a time, travelling to Glasgow to work mostly by train, but had a motorbike for a while which I used to scout out the country. So I think I know the area and the main barriers: the Kilpatrick Hills running N/S, and the Campsies running E/W, and now living in the Falkirk area, I know that Campies become the Ochills north of the Forth Valley, and south is the Pentlands, both running E/W.

 

So coming off the East Coast it's likely your birds currently fly a treble dog-leg. [1] left off the Coast into the Forth Valley flying due West between Pentlands & Ochills / Campsies, [2] right into Clyde valley keeping west of Kilpatrick Hills then [3] right into Leven Valley at Dumbarton.

 

 

Well thats the drag. In Falkirk area there's a wide gap between the Ochills and Campies, and NW through that gap takes you behind the Campies and the Kilpatrick Hills. I've been over the northern bit [stirling / Jamestown] and to me it appears a flat plain rather than a valley, with the Vale at the western end of it. It was also a planned route for a ship canal connecting Long Long and the River Forth, with a tunnel at the western end, so if you can run a tanker through that area, you should also be able to get birds to fly through it.  

 

I agree with you that if your birds remain in the drag, there's little chance of winning.

 

so do you not reckon the wind will determin where the birds will be ian?

 

[johno]

where is the hills at st boswells frank?

[Guest stb-]

Well maybe not there then..

 

I just mean id rather skip straight to 100 miles at a point somewhere in the middle of the borders.. than race short races form the extreme east of me..

why dont you do that then as  there are still 6 races as norm after that.  These training races were only brought in to get the birds used to the basket and so that the farthest guys didnt have a jump of over 100 mls.

 

I dont send to them anyway as i have normally trained mine further than cockenzie

 

but still think they are good for basket exsperiance.   I dont think they are in the fed averages but could be now

 

 

 

[ALF]

I don't remember being over as far as Dearham more M6 or so going North

Alan it's up to Arrocher   If the birds came up Loch Long they could well have came over the hotel if they came up Loch Lomond they could come up the valley between Tarbet and Arrocher

 

If they had came up from Tarbet they would/should have come from behind us (well from behind were we were looking that is )

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

I will do that and i think most of the club will.. as every member was in agreement at the meeting..

 

But surely thats not a good thing.. everyone is a member of the fed.. so all clubs should be considered when the race progamme is made up..

 

Some people enjoy the first 4 or 5 races.. and are not been given a chance..

[Guest frank dooman]

But why do birds who have then done 2 or 3 Cockenzies go down once thy get to St. Boswells.. where are they going..??

 

great ques jonsey thats what we have been trying to tell you its the start that counts more than the finnish if the birds get a good start they will do ok the areas you want to go to they cant get that start if the whole fed was getting a doing then there is a prob but it wasnt was it?

[Guest frank dooman]

where is the hills at st boswells frank?

 

how far is soutra hills?

[johno]

twenty miles?

[Guest frank dooman]

not as much as that more like 8/10

[Guest stb-]

not as much as that more like 8/10

ye must of been looking through yer binnoculars frank ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

never raced from st boswells useing the meu.from coldstream to me 67mls st bos 58mls so iam taking it its closer to the soutra hills

[Guest IB]

 

so do you not reckon the wind will determin where the birds will be ian?

 

Sorry, just noticed I was on Mod sign-on on my last post, my mistake.

 

Think the wind may determine which valleys the birds might use, Frank, either to get out of the wind or make of use of it to get home. In my opinion it's a guessing game as no one [me included] has the full picture.

[johno]

twenty seven miles from pathhead to st boswells according to aa auto route. pathhead to wind turbines 7 miles/ leaving twenty to st boswells