Glasgow Fed GONE MAD..!!

[Delboy]

I did mention that before Delboy and recieved a few PMs asking if i was deranged..

 

WHY ?? I cant understand why you are  deranged saying that, I hope it isnt politics again, getting in the way of good racing ? Maybe Lanarkshire wouldnt take you but you could liberate with them ? Big convoy to keep yer doos on a straight line, sounds not a bad idea to me :-/

[Guest stb-]

 

If you look at the map.. some where between Crawford and Kelso.. maybe around Hawick..??

 

to close to peregrine alley pushing birds up through abington and lanark valley.

 

would prefer kelso or further east myself for a bit more safty

 

 

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

WHY ?? I cant understand why you are  deranged saying that, I hope it isnt politics again, getting in the way of good racing ? Maybe Lanarkshire wouldnt take you but you could liberate with them ? Big convoy to keep yer doos on a straight line, sounds not a bad idea to me :-/

 

Bang on mate..

[gone fishing]

 

If you look at the map.. some where between Crawford and Kelso.. maybe around Hawick..??

 

tweed valley lol your mad any east in the wind they be going back and forth all day

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

tweed valley lol your mad any east in the wind they be going back and forth all day

 

So when we race from further in to England.. where will the doos fly on their way in to Glasgow..??

[gone fishing]

a one of i think you should stay at the fishing ;D ;D ;D

 

no good at fishing either  ??) funny that do all your yb range south and back only  ;D

[Guest stb-]

 

So when we race from further in to England.. where will the doos fly on their way in to Glasgow..??

 

there is a chance they will fly further west but they will be in smaller less attractible numbers.

 

liberating there and getting a strike is a tottaly different matter, birds would be scattered allthrough the hills.

 

The birds need a good start.

[gone fishing]

 

So when we race from further in to England.. where will the doos fly on their way in to Glasgow..??

 

am talking about libs in kelso borders area

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

I understand that, but when we fly form further south, we hope that the doos start heading west as soon as they pass the Borders...

 

So what benfit would racing from Cockenzie or Dunbar have on the pigeons..??

 

Im fully aware that the returns from Cockenzie were good. And remember im only talking about ybs here, obs should be able to go anywhere. Its the intial training of the ybs, which you hope will teach them to make there way home on the fastest possible route..

 

Its once we then start to straighten the line up birds are going down, which have already raced from Cockenzie etc.. so thats leading me to think the intitail schooling is maybe teaching then bad habbits..

 

Also just to make it clear, when we race form the east, it is geografically impossible for the doos to fly straight home.. so from the off we're teaching the birds to dog leg.. i cant see this being a benefit to them in later life..

[Guest IB]

All valid points Bigda.. but is racing form the east coast of Scotland going to help any of these points..??

 

Where our club is situated is in a Valley, the doos can only come in from the bottom.. So when we race form an eastlerly points the birds have no option but to dog leg, how big a dog leg then depends on the actual doo. And we all know not all ybs are great at thinking for themselves, so when they begin to dog leg they really can end up anywhere..

 

Now never once has over fly etc been an issue, even tho the lofts the doos pass first are flying the longest distance. Becuase the distance is being measured in a direct line from A to B..

 

If we raced more centrally i think this would mimimize the enevitable dog leg.. which in turn would hopefully improve returns.. again JMO..

 

Again, similar to my earlier posts with Ally on his thread on training, I reckon the direct route off East into Leven Valley isn't from the Clydebank and Glasgow direction, its SE off Jamestown, Gargunnock and Stirling directions.

 

Again on training / racing from SE Border country, there were posts during racing season on being hit at various points down there this year, had looked myself at Stow and Galashiels but decided against it when Angela reported a pair nesting at both spots. St Boswells was also mentioned, and of course Kelso, with reports of birds flying up and down the Tweed Valley for hours after liberation.

 

Peebles is a crossroads east-west and north-south. Was down there during OBs just north of the town, single-up, noticed very few headed direct north, but crossed hill on east, possibly heading north through Stow. Maybes the main route North for the east coast birds heading into Central belt .. flying the dog-leg round the east side of the Pentlands?

[clyde]

 

WHY ?? I cant understand why you are  deranged saying that, I hope it isnt politics again, getting in the way of good racing ? Maybe Lanarkshire wouldnt take you but you could liberate with them ? Big convoy to keep yer doos on a straight line, sounds not a bad idea to me :-/

ur bang on

[Guest stb-]

Birds dont need to be taught the way from A to B ,

 

 

train them and getting them fit and heading for home is what is important.

 

it makes no difference if you train them from dumbar or oban,  good birds will make for home where ever you take them.

 

the easterly races give you a chance to get them fit and used to leaving the basketts

 

without getting hammered every time they get liberated.

 

tell me what is wrong with these safer racepoints ., apart from the fact that you may not be in a good geographical position to win a card.

 

apart from that i can see no other reason to change them

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Stirling is quite away North East of Leven Valley and Jamestown.. nearly every loft in our club is within a few miles of Jamestown.. all birds into this area come from Clybebank thru Dumbarton.. then up the Leven past Renton in to Alexandria..

 

McGougan tried training form Strirling and told me they still came from the South up the Leven...

 

Remember Ally is up in Oban which is 40 or 50 miles as the crow flies from the rest of the club..

[johno]

how is it possible to fly in a straight line when the earth is curved. as to routes the main factors would be be a combination of location of lib point, wind direction during time of flying, altitude of flight as the wind varies at different heights. location of loft in respect to all of the foregoing factors. everything else is supposition and projection.

[Guest stb-]

how is it possible to fly in a straight line when the earth is curved. as to routes the main factors would be be a combination of location of lib point, wind direction during time of flying, altitude of flight as the wind varies at different heights. location of loft in respect to all of the foregoing factors. everything else is supposition and projection.

 

does that mean pigeon racing is bent   ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Fair Play]

I often wonder if it is worth while racing pigeons when if a democratic vote is taken someone turns round and says I am not Playing defeats the pupose of having a Fed maybe we should all just fly ourselves an Devil Tak the Hindmost - Delboy don't know about politics but there is a lot of petty jelousy and after what I saw from a member  I am even more convinced. As I have  already stated sometimes the ones who shout the loudest have the most to lose

[gone fishing]

Birds dont need to be taught the way from A to B ,

 

 

train them and getting them fit and heading for home is what is important.

 

it makes no difference if you train them from dumbar or oban,  good birds will make for home where ever you take them.

 

the easterly races give you a chance to get them fit and used to leaving the basketts

 

without getting hammered every time they get liberated.

 

tell me what is wrong with these safer racepoints ., apart from the fact that you may not be in a good geographical position to win a card.

 

apart from that i can see no other reason to change them

 

spot on stb

[Fair Play]

Why then are so many lost and discount the old chestnut as 18000(bigda) bop  are never in the one place at the same time and not all Lanarkshires birds were of a poor quality as there are some excellent fliers in there it would be excellent if someone could tell us if the birds are attacked on liberation or line of flight and remember that is why we are flying East to get away from them in the West :-/ I will go to the Fed meeting and will abide by the democratic decision taken by the members and it is then up to me to put forward an alternative which will satisfy the members and I believe through the grapevine there may well be other propositions we will see on the day and at the delegates meeting Alexandria's proposal was not the only one that was knocked back on the night but that's democracy but they could if they have a mind be put forward as an amendment

[Guest bigda]

Why then are so many lost and discount the old chestnut as 18000(bigda) bop  are never in the one place at the same time and not all Lanarkshires birds were of a poor quality as there are some excellent fliers in there it would be excellent if someone could tell us if the birds are attacked on liberation or line of flight and remember that is why we are flying East to get away from them in the West :-/ I will go to the Fed meeting and will abide by the democratic decision taken by the members and it is then up to me to put forward an alternative which will satisfy the members and I believe through the grapevine there may well be other propositions we will see on the day and at the delegates meeting Alexandria's proposal was not the only one that was knocked back on the night but that's democracy but they could if they have a mind be put forward as an amendment

 

years ago the glasgow doo used to fly over the top of lanarkshire never seen them do that now  and had we got one of the back end  of the glasow fed  we where well in

[Guest stb-]

you are not making sence, you are not loosing pigeon from the east. cockenzie dunbar etc

 

the returns are top class, :-/ :-/

 

seems you would rather race somwhere that more birds get lost.

 

sorry but cant see your logic there im afraid :-/ :-/

[gone fishing]

only place i ever saw doos attacked leaving the transporter was lancaster 96 but theres thousands more these days luckely midland went 1st   1 things sure though they never turned the convoy . av also seen a batch of 20 trainers attaced by percy from height it came down grabed a doo turned and the rest of the pigeons carried on like it was never there

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Im just of the opinion that where we are training and have our first few races is somewhere we think the doos will roughly pass as the distance of each race increases.. Then hopefully the doos will learn to race those last 50 or so miles.. which is when a lot of races can be won or lost..

 

As i mentioned the ONLY way our pigeons can home from the eately races points is by dog leggin round the campsies and in from the South.. This could well be what the birds are continuing to do in later races.. so to me is not teaching them to race..

[Guest stb-]

Im just of the opinion that where we are training and have our first few races is somewhere we think the doos will roughly pass as the distance of each race increases.. Then hopefully the doos will learn to race those last 50 or so miles.. which is when a lot of races can be won or lost..

 

As i mentioned the ONLY way our pigeons can home from the eately races points is by dog leggin round the campsies and in from the South.. This could well be what the birds are continuing to do in later races.. so to me is not teaching them to race..

 

if you train your pigeons from a certain point say in a west wind and you go to the race on a sat and the wind is east do you really think that those pigeons will head to the point you trained from,     no chance they will take the shortest route if possible with the wind contributing to where they go.

 

one of the best yb seasons ive had my birds were trained from largs and ardrossan every day because i was working in that direction,  the first races were lockerbie tottaly other direction and they still won so dont need to be shown the way home to come from A to  B

[Guest stb-]

I often wonder if it is worth while racing pigeons when if a democratic vote is taken someone turns round and says I am not Playing defeats the pupose of having a Fed maybe we should all just fly ourselves an Devil Tak the Hindmost - Delboy don't know about politics but there is a lot of petty jelousy and after what I saw from a member  I am even more convinced. As I have  already stated sometimes the ones who shout the loudest have the most to lose[/quote

 

You have to abide by the democratic vote but you dont have to go along with it and send your

 

birds if you dont feel its beneficial to them, that is freedom of choice.

 

just because the majority votes to jump into the fire dosent mean you have to aswell,

 

better jumping when the fire is oot

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

the winds we got last season were mostly east or south east so if the birds are racing with a tail wind they will go high and over most of the hills thats where we get most of our loses as far as iam concerned no ceiling birds doing over 1700 y/p/m over the loft before they know, and if there is any norh in the wind they will be low and that brings its own difficulties wires go round hills etc but dont discount our birds intelengance the good ones will fight against winds and try as much as it can to keep its line of flight but the wind and drag will push them to where they come up the country doesnt matter which way you train yes land marks can help i think but thats never been proved we all have our  likes and dislikes but i think i would go with fanciers who are bieng succsfull over the last couple of years they have obvisualy got all the management correct no one can say they have not ally you have to remember your birds have to do the last 40/50 mls on there own you have to try and find an edge on your club members and whats best for your loft loc you chose who to follow i know what i would do!!!!!!!!!