Glasgow Fed GONE MAD..!!

[Delboy]

Midland fed go down M74, M6 and get hammered every year.Take it from me, if you are wanting to build a team of pigeons then stay away from this route. When you go back as little as 8 years, 2002, it was definately the way to go but not now. Granted, their are peregrines everywhere but they are more populated down the west.When the birds are attacked in the Beatock hills , they have nowhere to go other than back south, on the other hand , an attack on the east side, the birds havent got the hills to hamper them and have a chance to make home. The downside to the east side is CLASHING with ybs. There isnt a problem with this usually until over 100 miles.

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

As i mentioned last night, im not favouring going back to the west, i just cant see the benefit in going so far east..

 

The doos are always going to dog leg it toward our lofts, i think racing from where we do its exaggerating the do leg..

[Guest bigda]

jonesyboy  there are guys on here  telling you,   you must listen  birds that don't make it back  are  1 injured , dead,  or ill  going to the races , sending bird to races spare,    2 or three times  is suicidal as all birds now days to  get them to face  for home  has  now got to have  either nest mates, chipping eggs,  or youngsters , they will not return in numbers unless you do this,   once your bird sees  a peregrine its into the trees if it has nothing in its head to  make it return. as 2 weeks  in Tuesday will be time enough for it  to think about you,  a peregrine is the most scariest thing in this world for a pigeon  there is nothing  close to it ,  and because there are that Manny of them  you need extra keenness to get your birds home   so  build on that  and you might have a chance  of a timer,  

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

I was suggesting racing form a different line with YBS.. Olb birds should be able to race from anywhere.. its the initial schooling  of the young that concerns me..

 

And just to clear up, ive had no concerns what so ever regarding the health of my young.. my returns were fine, i never lost a pigeon training and the only birds i lost racing was from St. Boswells.. and although i never won any yb races.. we were in the mix every week which we raced...

 

Im just expressing an opinion which nearly every other memeber of my club agrees with...

 

Bigda would you be happy with Lanarkshire racing from an North Easterly race point for the early yb races..??

[Guest bigda]

I was suggesting racing form a different line with YBS.. Olb birds should be able to race from anywhere.. its the initial schooling  of the young that concerns me..

 

And just to clear up, ive had no concerns what so ever regarding the health of my young.. my returns were fine, i never lost a pigeon training and the only birds i lost racing was from St. Boswells.. and although i never won any yb races.. we were in the mix every week which we raced...

 

Im just expressing an opinion which nearly every other memeber of my club agrees with...

 

Bigda would you be happy with Lanarkshire racing from an North Easterly race point for the early yb races..??

 

its safety first with all the pigeon men , welfare of the  pigeon first  all the time   do you think for one minute all these guys on here and all over  Britain  want   as you say dog leg races  

don't  under estamate  fanciers  who love there birds more than them self and family   the race point that  the fed go to  might not always suit   but  its  decided at agm the best for the birds   having good returns is the  thing  as thats what keeps fanciers in racing but with young birds train them as  with mates

[johno]

like every other year the race program for the season will be decided by vote at the agm. each club has the same option to put up proposed routes. anyone who feels strongly enough that the route does not suit them has the right not to send pigeons. that is a rightful individual choice.  racing and training from st boswells last year many fanciers from glasgow fed had excellent racing and returns. others may well not have. the same is true of all race points. some have a good race others poor. many fsnciers on the east side of glasgow fed would not dream of liberating in peebles.as this would be considered very risky. it is all about individual choice.

[Fair Play]

Hi Danny .What happened to the alleged 2500-3000 birds that Lanarkshire lost this year from one race? were they

1.Injured

2.Sick

3.Hawk fodder

4.Just plain not good enough

5.Or were they racing spare

or none of the above :-/ :-/ :-/

Lot of contentious issues and everyone will have their own opinion but it's called democracy

[blucock]

trouble is that is the actual line of flight when you get past 200 mile with the prevailing west winds they end up in that area before heading west lads. Ive had umpteen Ayrshire birds reported from the East coast after nationals from Newbury (west of England)

 

I think traning the birds to break is the only way to combat it but tell me a foolproof way of doing that?

 

Ayrshire are now racing out of Blackwood, Thurso and Lerwick! Hows that for East (and North) trouble is points like Kelso, Locharbriggs, etc etc they are getting hammered by peregrine might be another reason why the birds head out to the water.....

 

all the best at the agm - dont think any route is foolproof

 

Baz

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

like every other year the race program for the season will be decided by vote at the agm. each club has the same option to put up proposed routes. anyone who feels strongly enough that the route does not suit them has the right not to send pigeons. that is a rightful individual choice.  racing and training from st boswells last year many fanciers from glasgow fed had excellent racing and returns. others may well not have. the same is true of all race points. some have a good race others poor. many fsnciers on the east side of glasgow fed would not dream of liberating in peebles.as this would be considered very risky. it is all about individual choice.

 

Delegates from our club proposed two alternative race points at the meeting last week, and these were not accepted by the comittee..

[Guest bigda]

Hi Danny .What happened to the alleged 2500-3000 birds that Lanarkshire lost this year from one race? were they

1.Injured

2.Sick

3.Hawk fodder

4.Just plain not good enough

5.Or were they racing spare

or none of the above :-/ :-/ :-/

Lot of contentious issues and everyone will have their own opinion but it's called democracy

       could have been all what you say caused  it  yes  there are load, of ill birds and there are  4,000  just peregrine   hawks,   in any one day  all taking one bird min,  have you never seen   just the one peregrine  send 50 pigeons  at  full speed in to  those  fir trees  that are all over the country,   well i have   and birds lying  at the bottom  of the trees  busted up  sitting there  waiting to die and  4,000 is  not  the total as i  believe in Britain there are 18, 000 of them and growing   but  picking a area from where there is less strikes  is the hardest part  of all

 

 

[Guest bigda]

the race pattern  for the last 5 years is   for scotland in all feds   when the birds are due home,  in all the races our cub has been, and it goes as follow  the first 10 are there on   time ,then the next bird you get is 10 -15 min later  then your next  30-min  later then  nothing

2 hours later  3 together a another hour 2  night fall  sent 12   8 home   now there is something stopping those birds on route as  the birds are coming in waves as if they are  getting turned   a few times,  and the braves  of them birds, that are set up,  try the hardest  get home,  the rest after  6 attempts to pass the hawks   are scared out of  its wits  and before the bird realizes it 4 days have gone by, with out food or a  drink  some go in to other lofts,  and will keep doing so the following year,   as thats  what is there safest way  they  feel,

  you take  a stray in  let it out it will come back in  most times  take on a toss  and it will come back to you why because it has  had a fright  your own doos  on the same toss  loss ed

and here is this  stray back,  as i say the birds get a mental block age,  and the only  remember where was  safe,   when on the wing,  on the last day they met the hawk,  there are loads of  fanciers can say that is so

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

All valid points Bigda.. but is racing form the east coast of Scotland going to help any of these points..??

 

Where our club is situated is in a Valley, the doos can only come in from the bottom.. So when we race form an eastlerly points the birds have no option but to dog leg, how big a dog leg then depends on the actual doo. And we all know not all ybs are great at thinking for themselves, so when they begin to dog leg they really can end up anywhere..

 

Now never once has over fly etc been an issue, even tho the lofts the doos pass first are flying the longest distance. Becuase the distance is being measured in a direct line from A to B..

 

If we raced more centrally i think this would mimimize the enevitable dog leg.. which in turn would hopefully improve returns.. again JMO..

[Guest bigda]

All valid points Bigda.. but is racing form the east coast of Scotland going to help any of these points..??

 

Where our club is situated is in a Valley, the doos can only come in from the bottom.. So when we race form an eastlerly points the birds have no option but to dog leg, how big a dog leg then depends on the actual doo. And we all know not all ybs are great at thinking for themselves, so when they begin to dog leg they really can end up anywhere..

 

Now never once has over fly etc been an issue, even tho the lofts the doos pass first are flying the longest distance. Becuase the distance is being measured in a direct line from A to B..

 

If we raced more centrally i think this would mimimize the enevitable dog leg.. which in turn would hopefully improve returns.. again JMO..

 

we are mesured   in what they call the  great arc   yes and at times that is the shape the birds fly in scotland as they will not fly over the hills rather go round them

[Guest stb-]

makes no difference where they race from to start with, returns and safty are foremost then you can think about getting them ready for more mportant races,

 

if you go the wrong route you may not have any left for later on

[johno]

jonesy the committe may well have disagreed with your delegates racepoints. again that is a vote. the same proposal can still be put in front of the agm where all the members vote. any of us who do not agree with what the rest are doing are free to choose for ourselves. but in all cases the majority vote will determine what the fed does. this has always been the case.

[Fair Play]

Do you not think like any predator they will go where there are the richest pickings so if the food chain is in the East that is where the concentration of the BOP will be the same will apply to the West but how many will there be like most they will be along the line of flight watch any program on wild life food chainand the above will apply but to lose that number of birds there are greater forces at work what they are I don't know i have heard all the theories but it's like trying to explain how a pigeon finds it's way home how many theories have you heard on that one but your idea of a gps system may not be far off the mark as seen it before and the bird never flew the route they thought.

[Guest stb-]

If fanciers dont like the racepoints that the majority choose at the AGM, you are not forced to send.

 

If the west route was selected i personnaly would not send birds , but would start them at a later date. Training them from a more easterly direction myself.

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

If fanciers dont like the racepoints that the majority choose at the AGM, you are not forced to send.

 

If the west route was selected i personnaly would not send birds , but would start them at a later date. Training them from a more easterly direction myself.

 

As mentioned many times before.. nobody from Alexnadria is suggesting we go back to the West.. we just dont feel we have to go so far East..

 

Is there really no where suitablte to liberate doos in the center of the country..????

[Delboy]

If fanciers dont like the racepoints that the majority choose at the AGM, you are not forced to send.

 

If the west route was selected i personnaly would not send birds , but would start them at a later date. Training them from a more easterly direction myself.

 

Aye Bob, there is grey matter between those ears, no matter what Jane thinks   ;D

[Guest stb-]

 

As mentioned many times before.. nobody from Alexnadria is suggesting we go back to the West.. we just dont feel we have to go so far East..

 

Is there really no where suitablte to liberate doos in the center of the country..????

 

where would you sujest the centre of the country  is ??

 

 

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

where would you sujest the centre of the country  is ??

 

 

If you look at the map.. some where between Crawford and Kelso.. maybe around Hawick..??

[Delboy]

Why dont you follow the Lanarkshire programme ?   They are starting at Otterburn

[gone fishing]

 

so r u telling me theres no bop on east i train the birds to come from anywere i believe if i keep training birds on east route it becomes a habit 4 them & they end up like sheep its only my way of thinking and as u say each to there own

and as old frank says himself  i did it my way

 

in 07 a club member sent his yb 5 races north rd to stonehaven following week he sent it south to tow law then was his timer in yb national 1st off birds should home and be trained from any direction getting them in race time is up to the fancier

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

I did mention that before Delboy and recieved a few PMs asking if i was deranged..

 

And can i just add.. i mentioned following there programme, not joing up with them.. just to make that clear..

[Guest KING BILLY]

 

in 07 a club member sent his yb 5 races north rd to stonehaven following week he sent it south to tow law then was his timer in yb national 1st off birds should home and be trained from any direction getting them in race time is up to the fancier

a one of i think you should stay at the fishing ;D ;D ;D