race controllers

[BLACK W F]

Bigda, bLACK WF and Walter you have both at some point said that plenty 04.30 liberations have taken part by other organisations,

please name them,

 

if you dont watch it the men in the white coats will be coming for you.

 

well Gareth i know one thing if i was controlling the transporter would be at the race point /liberation site or  i would make sure every member new it was not and DEMAND an answer why it was not     not hide it cover up  ;D ;D ;D answer that one

[walterbmasson]

Bigda, bLACK WF and Walter you have both at some point said that plenty 04.30 liberations have taken part by other organisations,

please name them,

 

if you dont watch it the men in the white coats will be coming for you.

unc do you want the phone number but i did not say 4.30 gareth you look all posts all that was said the rule book states 4.30 they have got to fly in the morning to get home at 4.30 am but the SNFC IS NOT EVEN LOOKING AT 5am so what are you havering about the lads up north would be happy for 6AM or 630 7am libs if we were flying 500miles because we know we would be timing them no bother do you think were asking for something special were just asking what should have been done years ago a chance to time a bird on the day as you get every year

 

 

[BLACK W F]

 

well Gareth i know one thing if i was controlling the transporter would be at the race point /liberation site or  i would make sure every member new it was not and DEMAND an answer why it was not     not hide it cover up  ;D ;D ;D answer that one

 

LOOKS LIKE NO ANSWER COMING I WONDER WHY THAT IS

[Roland]

why does SNFC have 3 race controllers instead of 3  phones this day and age why blame race controllers for bad race results take a french race take the race point on camera put onto computer show the weather condition then post same on computer  same at channel  another point into england if they want is it not time to move with the times in stead of blaming race controllers if the members see the conditions are right and nothing in there way what better informanation do we need  8) 8)

 

This has been put forward to The NFC. THE MNFA etc. etc. and all have thrown the idea out out of hand. Diabolical I think. Of course it should have been implemented years ago.

But won't. Tradition etc.  and shot sightedness. This one progressive step that could and should have been implemented.

then 1/2 after sun up and onwards we could all tune in to the site and see for our self .... likewise 'Down the Line' and have verbal confirmation regards the Wind, it's strengths and directions etc.

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

well Gareth i know one thing if i was controlling the transporter would be at the race point /liberation site or  i would make sure every member new it was not and DEMAND an answer why it was not     not hide it cover up  ;D ;D ;D answer that one

 

Black w/f what good does it do washing your knickers in front of the public :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ corrections have been put in place that the race controlling team and members wont be let down again.

Not to forget that the race in question Ypres is one of the most successful races the National has had in recent years.

 

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

unc do you want the phone number but i did not say 4.30 gareth you look all posts all that was said the rule book states 4.30 they have got to fly in the morning to get home at 4.30 am but the SNFC IS NOT EVEN LOOKING AT 5am so what are you havering about the lads up north would be happy for 6AM or 630 7am libs if we were flying 500miles because we know we would be timing them no bother do you think were asking for something special were just asking what should have been done years ago a chance to time a bird on the day as you get every year

 

 

Please tell me Walter what the earliest the UNC have liberated pigeons in the last decade, once again i ask you for the facts which you have failed to do when i have asked you in the past.???

 

 

[BLACK W F]

 

Black w/f what good does it do washing your knickers in front of the public :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ corrections have been put in place that the race controlling team and members wont be let down again.

Not to forget that the race in question Ypres is one of the most successful races the National has had in recent years.

 

 

be cause all should know why you could not liberate it should not be covered up   so why could you not libberate the birds Gareth   answer please  dont dodge the question

 

 

[pigeonpete]

;D ;D ;D you lot do make me laugh!!!!  plain and simple i would not like the race controllers job. :-)

[dwh]

;D ;D ;D you lot do make me laugh!!!!  plain and simple i would not like the race controllers job. :-)

 

its a tricky job pete but ave seen scot libs n some ave bin held wen they were let go

ave seen them liberated in rain n bad vis b4

but they damned if they do'nt n damned if they do  :-/

[Guest bigda]

here  one just now Gareth IL find some more  but the latest the unc went was 6 am where are your lib times  at the same race points  possibly the earliest we have when is when going with the up north combine lol ;D ;D http://www.pigeonbasics.com/clubs/unc/2004/bourges.pdf

[Guest bigda]

there is another early time

http://www.nehu.co.uk/2009bourges.html

[walterbmasson]

 

Please tell me Walter what the earliest the UNC have liberated pigeons in the last decade, once again i ask you for the facts which you have failed to do when i have asked you in the past.???

 

  gareth what facts do you want if its unc phone 01207506014 he will tell you all you want i am just replying to a old member of unc now the facts in the 40+years there hasent been a 5am lib and if i am right only one at 5.30 it must have been that yoos could not hold them any longer i am not being bias its blatently holding birds so they cant make it on the day of liberation so for god sake treat the race as it states on rule book at least the birds should be started to get ready for early lib if weather is right can i be any plainer than that after all a national race should be catered for[ all ] not for a chosen few

 

 

[walterbmasson]

 

good points there Walter, plenty of feds have libbed at 4-30 from France  i think they are scared of the northern birds beating them,  they call them selfs distance fliers  but you and  me Walter know  who the real fliers are in the national

you don't fear the mileage  your birds have to come  all your looking for is a  fair playing field  giving you 16-17 hours to get home  at 680 mile  40mile per hour  = 17hrs  up at 4-30 home for 9-30 pm     you are not asking for much walter just a bit of fairness and for the central guys there birds would be  13-14 hrs on the wing at 540 mile home for 5.30pm

 

danny your spot on birds will keep flying longer if allowed but sadly not being allowed to home in descent flying conditions but the clock dosent stop once there forced down with dark penilized certainely not by there brave efforts of our birds but it appears that gareth and co think its easy to rise after flying a marathon ask any marathon runner what they think i know the answer no way but gareth its not 500 miles its 650miles get your thinking cap on

[BLACK W F]

 

danny your spot on birds will keep flying longer if allowed but sadly not being allowed to home in descent flying conditions but the clock dosent stop once there forced down with dark penilized certainely not by there brave efforts of our birds but it appears that gareth and co think its easy to rise after flying a marathon ask any marathon runner what they think i know the answer no way but gareth its not 500 miles its 650miles get your thinking cap on

 

you tell him Walter too many cover ups for my licking    birds not getting a fair crack  8) 8) 8)

[Guest bigda]

 

you tell him Walter too many cover ups for my licking    birds not getting a fair crack  8) 8) 8)

 

of cource the guys  in the North  are getting nailed,  the SNFC are not libing at 4-30,  what the book says,

yet the next day and nobody is talking about it,   The boys from the north when at 4-30 the next morning  it can be a black out,   but the north guys clocks are still ticking away  when all the one eyed jacks are tuck up in there sheds,   so 4-30am counts  as libs  go

for regulated clocks,    but bad weather for the northern lads  doesn't  go for nothing  so libs should be forced up at 4-30 or up at 1-30 pm   maybe  Gareth can explain  the next day bad weather policy and when the birds are libbed at 9-30am  what allowances   is in place   for this  discrepancy and unfairness    as the noth birds cant get timed in at  9-30 am libs  bigda as it is here for the under dogs

[walterbmasson]

 

you tell him Walter too many cover ups for my licking    birds not getting a fair crack  8) 8) 8)

 

well alan its every year same old story channel  channel channel that doesent wash every year sorry if you stuck to the rule book the times stated at least make the birds ready  if the green light is on for a race PHIL RANGE WAS GUEST AT SNFC TOP TABLE i am sure he managed by himself and when at fraserburgh birds were always ready for early release and that is inland races he always wanted to get the best of the day to get them on there way

[Roland]

I firmly believe that ALL PIGEONS should have a chance to home on the day.... So up at 4 30 is fine.

What reaks is the deliberate 'Noon; Libs, stated or not, that allow a good middle distance bird to win the longer and more prestigous races. No two ways about it! It is contrived for that very reason so 'Names' have more arrows to their bow. Many of these so - called names wouldn't even send if it was guarenteed a hold over upto 5 day if no real early libs were possible. No they wouldn't send and leave a better and fairer race for the true distance euthusiats that are often robbed of their birds merit.

And as no two days are a like, and holed up at the coast. The milkmn wakes them up. Tired wings nip over the water and time in whilst after a cold channel many great birds are robbed by having to fly 100, 200, 300 miles further whilst the so called winner is itting in a loft having flown say 350 miles and then has the cheek to be called a 'Distance Bird'.

[dal2]

I firmly believe that ALL PIGEONS should have a chance to home on the day.... So up at 4 30 is fine.

What reaks is the deliberate 'Noon; Libs, stated or not, that allow a good middle distance bird to win the longer and more prestigous races. No two ways about it! It is contrived for that very reason so 'Names' have more arrows to their bow. Many of these so - called names wouldn't even send if it was guarenteed a hold over upto 5 day if no real early libs were possible. No they wouldn't send and leave a better and fairer race for the true distance euthusiats that are often robbed of their birds merit.

And as no two days are a like, and holed up at the coast. The milkmn wakes them up. Tired wings nip over the water and time in whilst after a cold channel many great birds are robbed by having to fly 100, 200, 300 miles further whilst the so called winner is itting in a loft having flown say 350 miles and then has the cheek to be called a 'Distance Bird'.

 

I take it this statement is for the benefit of the fanciers in the south of england?? not us fanciers in the south of scotland.

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

you cant help where you stay i think walter is trying to get earlier libs and i cant blame him for that i supose they could be a wee bit earlier but as ive said before the man/men who have the final say in this are very much aware that the fanciers that have sent to thease races  have sent there best so there is a great deal of responsibabilty and they do try there best to get it right and that takes time i can understand your your feelings walter but i do think they do there best (you cant help where you stay and you cant please every one all the time ) but it might go a long way if it was tried even for one race a season

[Guest bigda]

you cant help where you stay i think walter is trying to get earlier libs and i cant blame him for that i supose they could be a wee bit earlier but as ive said before the man/men who have the final say in this are very much aware that the fanciers that have sent to thease races  have sent there best so there is a great deal of responsibabilty and they do try there best to get it right and that takes time i can understand your your feelings walter but i do think they do there best (you cant help where you stay and you cant please every one all the time ) but it might go a long way if it was tried even for one race a season

 

all he is saying frank one out all out,  no 9-30 libs and it excludes him  and the north boys  as the next day could be  snowing for them  and no other

[Roland]

dal2

I take it this statement is for the benefit of the fanciers in the south of england?? not us fanciers in the south of scotland.

Well they certainly benefit the most ... and the poath following on. Had some great Scottish birds flying nearly 800 miles on the day.

Obviously with sensible early libs. Early the better. 30 minutes to let the sun take the chill out etc. when appropiate.

Now when a bird flies 650 on the day it gets the credit it deserves. Most are never given the chance as a noon lib means short flying birds nigh always beat them and take their thunder. Are we, or anyone with the slightest sense of reallity and fair play, to believe that A. these birds were beaten by better birds?  :-/

That these true distance birds given the chance, let alone the credit that they so wholesomely deserve. Of course not.

[Guest frank dooman]

 

all he is saying frank one out all out,  no 9-30 libs and it excludes him  and the north boys  as the next day could be  snowing for them  and no other

 

yes i know danny but that would mean most of the races would 1pm libs if any one has race controlled they will know even with the best forecast,s it still takes time to check the line of flight at least to the english side of the channel and he needs some time to try and work out what time the birds will reach the channel its getting them over the water thats the big prob most of the time and as rose said it can change in 20 min,s so it could be great weather from 4-30 in france all the way to the water but by the time the birds will reach it the channel can be shut out no good liberating at 4- 30 if the water is not clear when the birds are likely to reach it

[walterbmasson]

you cant help where you stay i think walter is trying to get earlier libs and i cant blame him for that i supose they could be a wee bit earlier but as ive said before the man/men who have the final say in this are very much aware that the fanciers that have sent to thease races  have sent there best so there is a great deal of responsibabilty and they do try there best to get it right and that takes time i can understand your your feelings walter but i do think they do there best (you cant help where you stay and you cant please every one all the time ) but it might go a long way if it was tried even for one race a season

yes frank the doos does there best but sadly there not thinking about all the convoy on board  tell me frank what do we do with rule book when they are not even making them ready for release if its a goer this channel thing is a gimmick i was to long a fisherman to be hit with this every year and this 3 race controllers is rubbish just as rose pointed out a lot of times the channel is good why not use rose if willing to give channel weather worth a few quid for first hand information early on in the morning do you think its time for the whole convoy to be allowed to get all the benifets of the best flying hours of the day i think well overdue cheers walter

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

yes frank the doos does there best but sadly there not thinking about all the convoy on board  tell me frank what do we do with rule book when they are not even making them ready for release if its a goer this channel thing is a gimmick i was to long a fisherman to be hit with this every year and this 3 race controllers is rubbish just as rose pointed out a lot of times the channel is good why not use rose if willing to give channel weather worth a few quid for first hand information early on in the morning do you think its time for the whole convoy to be allowed to get all the benifets of the best flying hours of the day i think well overdue cheers walter

 

 

yes walter i agree with you the full convoy should be given the very best chance dont know about now but i do know when jock alston was race controller he had many contacts on the france side  on both jersey and guernsey and right on the coast england and i would think the boys who are doing it now will have the same dont know the reason for 3 controllers if there are 3 is it not a 3 man team with 1 main controller as  its all ways been the main man makes the final decision the other 2 could help speed up the clearing of line of flight wich in turn should allow earlier libs if every thing was fine and yes ive all ways said get them up as early as is pos. as long as every thing is right. all the best i hope you get what you want walter and have a good season

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

  gareth what facts do you want if its unc phone 01207506014 he will tell you all you want i am just replying to a old member of unc now the facts in the 40+years there hasent been a 5am lib and if i am right only one at 5.30 it must have been that yoos could not hold them any longer i am not being bias its blatently holding birds so they cant make it on the day of liberation so for god sake treat the race as it states on rule book at least the birds should be started to get ready for early lib if weather is right can i be any plainer than that after all a national race should be catered for[ all ] not for a chosen few

 

 

Don't need to phone anyone for facts as i have a close dialogue with man in charge of liberating quoted organisation above, i take it you have ditched your suicidal view on liberating pigeons before 05.30 come rain, hail or sleet,

 

As for your statement above in bold well this is as far as i am concerned coming from a man that's delusional.

 

 

 

 

Can i ask other fanciers in the North of Scotland if they feel the same as Walter and Black w/f in that pigeons are deliberately getting withheld from release which is to the detriment to the north section pigeons.????

Walter still waiting on facts / graphs that pigeons have not been released when they should have which in turn has been to the detriment of the pigeons..

Walter still waiting on organisations that liberate at 05.00 or before which you have quoted in the past as the time that you would release the SNFC pigeons.