race controllers

[walterbmasson]

 

 

why does SNFC have 3 race controllers instead of 3  phones this day and age why blame race controllers for bad race results take a french race take the race point on camera put onto computer show the weather condition then post same on computer  same at channel  another point into england if they want is it not time to move with the times in stead of blaming race controllers if the members see the conditions are right and nothing in there way what better informanation do we need  8) 8)

[kev43]

 

why does SNFC have 3 race controllers instead of 3  phones this day and age why blame race controllers for bad race results take a french race take the race point on camera put onto computer show the weather condition then post same on computer  same at channel  another point into england if they want is it not time to move with the times in stead of blaming race controllers if the members see the conditions are right and nothing in there way what better informanation do we need  8) 8)

 

too much hard work for them to use their heads,,it like the mighty up north combine held bk till today and new north amal and west durham amal got a brilliant race yesterday in a south wind and we got a north west wind today so y dnt we just go on the day we supposed to go on a friday night

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

why does SNFC have 3 race controllers instead of 3  phones this day and age why blame race controllers for bad race results take a french race take the race point on camera put onto computer show the weather condition then post same on computer  same at channel  another point into england if they want is it not time to move with the times in stead of blaming race controllers if the members see the conditions are right and nothing in there way what better informanation do we need  8) 8)

 

This is already done at present along the line of flight of the Journey i.e. via the large network of webcams some of them are live and some change every couple of minutes.

The reason Walter there is 3 race controllers is because of the importance to get the decision correct, 500 miles is along way especially in today's climate were the weather can be very erratic. You will find that nearly all the uk org have 2-3 race controllers.

 

[just ask me]

only so much race controllers can do  if its clear at the race point  and they have a good  chance to cross the water the bird has every chance  other weather they meet on on the way is part of there job

 

when u have a race 500 mile or more the weather will be different as they cross the country

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

only so much race controllers can do  if its clear at the race point  and they have a good  chance to cross the water the bird has every chance  other weather they meet on on the way is part of there job

 

when u have a race 500 mile or more the weather will be different as they cross the country

 

Yes but the hardest job when flying a 500 mile race is predicting using the weather forecasts available what the weather is going to be after flying 6-12 + hours and 250 - 500 miles. Have found that the met office and other forcasts are spot on for the first 6 hours after this it can be a hit or a miss especially when we are having a erratic period of weather.

 

 

[walterbmasson]

 

gareth met forcast cant even give you a correct forcast at all if fanciers sees the forcast up to channel and else do you want gareth you must have a very short memory the met forcast last year at alencon was atrocious from NEWCASTLE TO FRASERBURGH LAST YEAR but the doos were let up to lie in torrents of rain for about a week if you are using the camera phones please let us know where we can log on to to get it first thing in morning so we can see for ourselves after all it would sort a lot of problems if races didnt turn out right

 

[walterbmasson]

gareth met forcast cant even give you a correct forcast at all if fanciers sees the forcast up to channel and else do you want gareth you must have a very short memory the met forcast last year at alencon was atrocious from NEWCASTLE TO FRASERBURGH LAST YEAR but the doos were let up to lie in torrents of rain for about a week if you are using the camera phones please let us know where we can log on to to get it first thing in morning so we can see for ourselves after all it would sort a lot of problems if races didnt turn out right

  bump gareth where is it that the weather is shown at lib sites so we can all view if the phones are passing this info on i think we should be allowed to check rather than a weatherman passing usless information thank you :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

[BLACK W F]

  the thing is we will just have to drum it into them where the broch is theres 100.000 in the bank and if it means to get a better way to show the weather at sites and channel i am sure its easy enough to ask basics members every 200miles in this side of channel to show the weather it happened last year a lot of times  8) 8) 8) :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

got a mate lives in Paris copuld always bell him for weather update   ;) ;)

[Guest bigda]

there  are feds in england cross the water every week  we should be linked to them   they know every  inch of the Chanel and weather traits,  i  have  heard many a time the go at  4-30 am  from the same  race point as us,    going  up as far as  Cattrick  Sedgefield no problem and that with a window of 8 hrs on the wing  how we can  have a  weather report

8 hrs from or after  liberation   is  strange  if they go early  with English feds, we should go early  giving the doos the chance to cross the channel on the coolest part of the day  

[dal2]

 

why does SNFC have 3 race controllers instead of 3  phones this day and age why blame race controllers for bad race results take a french race take the race point on camera put onto computer show the weather condition then post same on computer  same at channel  another point into england if they want is it not time to move with the times in stead of blaming race controllers if the members see the conditions are right and nothing in there way what better informanation do we need  8) 8)

 

 

No really gettin it walter! Are u suggesting that we,as members, monitor the weather and then make a collective decision on the lib or are u simply wantin better communication about the weather then let a single controller make the decision?

Cheers steven

 

[Guest bigda]

last year was a classic from  Ypres   with the national,   birds held  back  from 5-30 to 6-30

and  the weather was 30 deg  heat,   it  meant the birds had  to fly in the soaring heat  something they are not used to doing   hope there are no repeats of that     as i don't think lanarkshire will  let you of with it  next  time    bigda as it is  

[dwh]

WHAT GOOD IS CLEAR LINE OF FLIGHT  AT TIME OF LIB ESPECIALLY AT THE LONGER RACES IF LIB SITE + SAY 1ST 60 MILE IS CLEAR SURELY A PRECISE PREDICTION OF INCOMING FRONTS AFFECTING THE LINE OF FLIGHT  WOULD BE BETTER  LETS FACE IT F1 RACING ARE PREDICTING RAINFALL TO A FEW MINS.

IDIOTIC DECISIONS ARE MADE AND THESE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THE INFORMATION  OR THE LACK OF IT FED TO FANCIERS

[Tony C]

http://www.btinternet.com/~paul.gilliver/weathercam.htm

[JADE]

walter why dont you trial your suggestion in your own fed to see how it works say from 200 miles onwards to Hastings

[Guest bigda]

 

I live right on the coast and the only weather trait I can guarantee most of the time is how unpredictable the weather in the channel can be can be lovely sun blue skies visibility perfect 20 mins later its dark windy and pouring with rain

 

yes rose but when you lib 150 mile from the channel  the birds are going to hit it  4 hrs later so its not going to do much good worring about it at lib time  4-30 am   the channel is or it isnt clear

[just ask me]

 

Very true a lot can change in that time and i think it is a hard call for any race controller to say whats going to happen 4 hrs on and the bigger the radius of the club you are doing the job for the harder it gets your always get some who not happy with whatever lib they are given wind direction going to benefit some and not others  I have raced many long races and quite expect that somewhere along the line the birds are liable to hit some not so perfect weather its just one of those things and it seems to be happening quite a lot the one thing I dont think is acceptable is when some idiot lets them go in bad weather to start with nothing like a good start for the birds bit of hot weather wont hurt them if they are well prepared for a long fly a good bird may go down for water but after that it will be back up and on its way same as a bit of rain at the end i dont think does any harm long as they get that good start

 

 

 

bang on rose in the weather that we live in no race controller can give the birds a perfect path  as i said in an earlier post once they get a good start and a chance to cross the channel  race controller has done a pity good job  

[Guest bigda]

but when you get controllers   waiting for the channel to clear before they lib 150 mile out is a bit  dumb,   when all it is    is  mist  and the forcast for both sides  of the channel is to be clear   thats what annoy the Nat men the most there  birds are held to 9-30 libs  the birds are then crossing the channel   1-30 pm   where as  up at 4-30  birds  picking there way over the Chanel  8-30 9-30  am  better chance for all birds  but at 1.30 some guys have to fly   580 mile  have then  14-15 hrs on the wing from there,   flying at 40 mile a hour  steady   all the way home  any weather  the likes of Walter :-/

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

  bump gareth where is it that the weather is shown at lib sites so we can all view if the phones are passing this info on i think we should be allowed to check rather than a weatherman passing usless information thank you :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

Do your home work Walter, i.e. use (google)

Would give you the web addresses but cant because of upgrading to a faster computer, if you do you will find there are webcams either at the town of Liberation or very close and also along the line of flight home.

 

Though at the end of the day nothing beats the words of a fellow fancier who is willing to get up early to help out the race controllers.

 

 

[BLACK W F]

 

Do your home work Walter, i.e. use (google)

Would give you the web addresses but cant because of upgrading to a faster computer, if you do you will find there are webcams either at the town of Liberation or very close and also along the line of flight home.

 

Though at the end of the day nothing beats the words of a fellow fancier who is willing to get up early to help out the race controllers.

 

so why you got 3 controllers  1 is enough  no buck passing then  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

so why you got 3 controllers  1 is enough  no buck passing then  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

Go to the AGM and propose 1 race controller who knows might even back you on it ;D ;D if you make the journey i will even pay your fuel for you :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[BLACK W F]

 

Go to the AGM and propose 1 race controller who knows might even back you on it ;D ;D if you make the journey i will even pay your fuel for you :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

there again Gareth i might just say there up just to wynd yous up who knows  theres one thing if i did i would be thinking of the north befor libbing so they get a fair crack of the wip at dawn we go  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

there again Gareth i might just say there up just to wynd yous up who knows  theres one thing if i did i would be thinking of the north befor libbing so they get a fair crack of the wip at dawn we go ;D ;D ;D

 

Well if you had been in charge of the National races you would have liberated in conditions that were not suitable at the race point,

 

god help us all ;D ;D

 

 

 

 

[BLACK W F]

 

Well if you had been in charge of the National races you would have liberated in conditions that were not suitable at the race point,

 

god help us all ;D ;D

 

 

 

these north doos are hardy they have to be  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[VAGIN]

these north doos are hardy they have to be  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

When have you ever timed in a national  Whats you track record like in national racing (A big Fat Zero) ;D ;D ;D

You dont know what your talking about   Numty

[BLACK W F]

 

When have you ever timed in a national  Whats you track record like in national racing (A big Fat Zero) ;D ;D ;D

You dont know what your talking about   Numty

 

here we have a pure novice aint race aint got doos lives in lossie and is a joke  come on gavin tell us all what you done at club /fed level  zero or i forget your claim to fame is your a pal of dougie  and some times you go to see Sandy think you could pick a doo you could not pick your nose even a lousy auctioneer  think that sums you up eh mate  whos the numpty   joke  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D