Where Am I Going Wrong?

[pete_pizza7]

Just wanted to say I'm new to this thread so a big hello to everyone.

 

Just wanted to ask everyone for a bit of help and advice. Regarding Channel racing. Inland our pigeons race quite exceptional for us, basically every single inland race we compete and take multiple Fed and club prizes inside the top 10 of Both (over 3,000 in fed) never being far away from the winners and our pigeons are tumbling in.

 

But when it comes to the channel we our basically hours behind. For me it has to be down to the Thursday basketing for a Saturday race, we just can't get to the bottom of what time and how much to feed them on a Thursday and how to motivate them. Basically what we do is we feed them the exact same and motivate them the exact same way we would as an inland race, but nothing works.

 

For a channel race we would give them a Spoon of corn in the morning and 2 spoons at night from Sunday right through to Wednsday, then on the Thursday we feed them what they want from 8.00am through to Midday and take the Corn out, then at Hampering time (6.00pm) we would show the cocks there bowls and give them there hens. But it is blatantly not working.

 

I must be feeding them wrong, either I am giving them too much on a Thursday or at the wrong time, not feeding them much on a Wednsday or motivating them wrong.

 

Any advice and help I will be greatful. Thankyoi

[REDCHEQHEN]

You don't say where you are - or how far your channel races are

So distances for the channel races in question would be helpful

[andy Burgess]

welcome to Basics , i hope you get the answers you need.

[Wiley]

I can't comment in channel racing as I race north road, but if say your problem would lie in your feeding preparation. What exactly are you feeding and at what times of the week?

[showman]

Whilst I would agree that your feeding regime may need to be looked at, could I suggest a bit of investigation into giving them their hens before basketing. You state that before basketing you give them their bowls & their hens. I would contemplate the thought that giving their bowls may be enough to stimulate the cocks enough, and not lead to any 'over stimulation'. I would ask also to take a look at the mileage difference from your longest in-land to your shortest channel race. Could it be a case that the successful family of pigeons you are racing simply don't handle the water & extra mileage.

Whatever the 'problem', I hope you arrive at a succesful conclusion. All the best.

[Michael J Burden]

I would say food not enough being given. I never show hens or bowl before a Channel race. Maybe where I am going wrong! Mjb

[pete_pizza7]

You don't say where you are - or how far your channel races are

So distances for the channel races in question would be helpful

 

I race in ulster Fed Northern Ireland. Our Inland races our

 

Kildare x 2 at 105 miles

 

Thurles x 2 at 152 miles

 

Fermoy at 190 miles

 

Skibberean at 250 miles

 

Those are inland and we compete extremely well in all those races.

 

Channel races are

 

Talbenny 199 mile

 

Bude 267 mile

 

Sennon cove 314 mile

 

France 400 mile plus

 

Also my breed of pigeons are basically Busschart/Van Reet and van de Rhees. But we have bought in various other strains to try and improve but still no difference.

 

What time does people feed there's at?

 

Thanks

[pete_pizza7]

Also I feed my pigeons on the day of the race at about 8 in the morning and leave the corn in until about 12 o clock. Also I'm racing Widowhood hens as well, should I just show them their bowls as well before the race and not thier cocks or should show them thier cocks?

[SCOTLAND]

Racing into Ireland,two sea's to cross!

I would suggest that you need birds for the job!

get in touch with Ron Williamson!!!!!!

[walterboswell59]

pete im not a widowhood flyer im natural i think the birds you have should be able to handle those distances my guess would be the lenth of time your birds are in the basket for these races as my birds can be away 3 4 or even more days in the longer races i want the birds to be calm or by lib time there burnt out if to keyed up so i would not be showing them there partners as i would think it would get them to worked up and aggitatated when they have to spend a few days in the basket imo bowls should be enough m8

[Guest paulrstokes]

For a channel race we would give them a Spoon of corn in the morning and 2 spoons at night from Sunday right through to Wednsday, then on the Thursday we feed them what they want from 8.00am through to Midday and take the Corn out, then at Hampering time (6.00pm) we would show the cocks there bowls and give them there hens. But it is blatantly not working

 

I would suggest not quite enough fuel for the job. for the evening feeds on the run up to a channel race, why not let the birds have what they want and remove after 30 minutes, on the day of basketing let out am and then leave food with them all day, also add a handful of peanuts. I would not show the hens either, sounds like your birds are top notch but showing the hens is driving them crazy when they have 48 hours in the basket.

 

I will add it is nothing to do with the strain of the birds

[pete_pizza7]

I usually feed the birds at 8,00 am on the Thursday (day of Basketing) and leave it in to midday. Does anyone feed them in the evening of basketing day.

 

Also in terms of Widowhood hens should I show them there cocks before the race or just the bowl.

 

Thanks for all the comments thus far lads

[budgie]

Feed them around 3.00pm and add handful of peanuts. The problem I see is your family of pigeons are out of their Homing Zone !!!!

[pete_pizza7]

I'm gonna try giving them, basically whatever they want on Wednsday night for about half an hour, then what ever they want on Thursday morning about 8 and leave it into 12.

 

Please tell me if I'm going totally wrong like lol. It's just i know my birds can compete even on Channel races, it's just it's basically down to the feeding and Morivation or timing of feeding that's stopping them.

[pete_pizza7]

I was 1,3,5 and 10thclub at the weekend. 3, 6, 9th derby with about 2000 pigeons sent. I sent 22 and had 20 in the clock within 15 mins from a 250 mile race. Hopefully with a bit of luck what I try this week works for me (as it's the start of the channel races). I'm gonna leave the corn in on Wednsday for about half an hour and on Thursday feed them at 8.00 am and leave it into midday.

 

If it doesn't work I haven't got a clue were I'm going wrong because I know my pigeons are good enough to do it and they are in super order.

[eagle79]

any novices or who ever should copy your methods for250 inland races you seem to be a top gun my friend and ill bet a pound to a penny you get it right you have the want in you get them to relax in basket and plenty of food for last two days keep them calm could be the answer

[Guest stb-]

I race in ulster Fed Northern Ireland. Our Inland races our

 

Kildare x 2 at 105 miles

 

Thurles x 2 at 152 miles

 

Fermoy at 190 miles

 

Skibberean at 250 miles

 

Those are inland and we compete extremely well in all those races.

 

Channel races are

 

Talbenny 199 mile

 

Bude 267 mile

 

Sennon cove 314 mile

 

France 400 mile plus

 

Also my breed of pigeons are basically Busschart/Van Reet and van de Rhees. But we have bought in various other strains to try and improve but still no difference.

 

What time does people feed there's at?

 

Thanks

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[Guest stb-]

I was 1,3,5 and 10thclub at the weekend. 3, 6, 9th derby with about 2000 pigeons sent. I sent 22 and had 20 in the clock within 15 mins from a 250 mile race. Hopefully with a bit of luck what I try this week works for me (as it's the start of the channel races). I'm gonna leave the corn in on Wednsday for about half an hour and on Thursday feed them at 8.00 am and leave it into midday.

 

If it doesn't work I haven't got a clue were I'm going wrong because I know my pigeons are good enough to do it and they are in super order.

are you in talbenny this weekend ?

[Guest bigda]

are you in talbenny this weekend ?

 

not this week, i am into wee benny

[bullcock]

Hi,

We used to fly widowhood (roundabout) and when we set the birds up for a Fri basket for a Sat race all was well, but if the race was put back 24 hours for the weather at short notice, the birds "went over" and had a mediocre race at best, this is down to the fact we set our birds up to peak on the Saturday and come Sunday the edge was gone, so the feeding for one or two days in the basket will affect the performance, you must feed them different for the two day basketing, we have never raced the distance on this system so I don't have the correct formula for feeding, but I would say feed heavy from Mon - Thu giving peanuts every evening, wouldn't be far wrong.

 

As for motivation, I wouldn't show the hens on a two day basketing the cocks will be too excited, show the bowls then basket the cocks, then move the hens into their boxes without the cocks and leave them for a while, this should do it, all the best.