What Were Your Returns Like?

[peter pandy]

guys imo you are not giving any justice sending latebreds that have only had five or six tosses ive been doing well with them for the last 4 years winning out to inland national level as 2year olds i would not send a young bird team that had only five tosses so why do it with latebreds mine have 6 to 8 tosses the year they are born any half decent day right up to december i dont go far 12 to 20 miles then out every day in winter i start them again in early feb and they get at the very least 20 12 to 20 mile tosses then into the training van to learn to break from other birds for the 7 to 10 days before the first race i had 42 birds at the race 22 were late breds all 42 home in 35 40 mins the secret with latebreds i think is repation lots of short tosses treat them like youngbirds after all they are only babies 4or5 races and stop them and let them mature and they will do you a turn if they are bred from good birds of course

Jings Wattie whaur ur ye goanna pit them awe if yir no lossin thim :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[Walter swanston]

guys imo you are not giving any justice sending latebreds that have only had five or six tosses ive been doing well with them for the last 4 years winning out to inland national level as 2year olds i would not send a young bird team that had only five tosses so why do it with latebreds mine have 6 to 8 tosses the year they are born any half decent day right up to december i dont go far 12 to 20 miles then out every day in winter i start them again in early feb and they get at the very least 20 12 to 20 mile tosses then into the training van to learn to break from other birds for the 7 to 10 days before the first race i had 42 birds at the race 22 were late breds all 42 home in 35 40 mins the secret with latebreds i think is repation lots of short tosses treat them like youngbirds after all they are only babies 4or5 races and stop them and let them mature and they will do you a turn if they are bred from good birds of course

[Walter swanston]

Most interesting post Walter, a friend of mine sent 17 pigeons to Appleby with the Solway on Saturday and got 15 back, all 17 were in a basket for the first time since September 2013 and 4 were away for their first race ever.Another fellow club member sent two former stock pigeons to France last year and got them both back in good time.Please do not think I am making light of your comments about extensive training as you obviously know what you are talking about but sometimes I wonder.

[Guest bigda]

how do you come by that figure Danny ?

 

 

if 50 birds in the fed have feathers missing from a race of 5,000 birds you will have 400 missing birds in a 100 mile race at our end, we can have as many as 150 strikes inside the 100 mile mark, but going further like arround lancaster area there are 1,500 percys stationed there, we will get hit ave 600. times on route for home. as 1 percy has 3 trys at a strike.

[walterboswell59]

Most interesting post Walter, a friend of mine sent 17 pigeons to Appleby with the Solway on Saturday and got 15 back, all 17 were in a basket for the first time since September 2013 and 4 were away for their first race ever.Another fellow club member sent two former stock pigeons to France last year and got them both back in good time.Please do not think I am making light of your comments about extensive training as you obviously know what you are talking about but sometimes I wonder.

and that proves what walter you could have timed a piece of paper on saturday if you had thrown into the air it was the easyst race with the best forcast for years thats called luck m8 i make sure mines have the brains to get home without being lucky but you keep doing it your way walt a fantail can follow hundreds or thousands of birds up the road but the last 10 or 20 miles it has to think for its self and break thats why short and offten is best way to train latebreds or youngbirds for that matter and have a much better percentage of birds getting home dont think i be telling any novice to do it your way m8

[walterboswell59]

Jings Wattie whaur ur ye goanna pit them awe if yir no lossin thim :emoticon-0138-thinking:

i will lose them as the racing goes on peter the percies and bad races will help keep them down pal then theres the recycle bin and i do lose them just not as many as some folk but everyone to there own

[Walter swanston]

Well as the man said years ago there are many roads to Rome

[walterboswell59]

Well as the man said years ago there are many roads to Rome

very true walter but you will get there sooner if you train hard lol

[Walter swanston]

Sent a hen on Saturday got it back OK, it's cock which had been kept back to feed two squeakers was let out for a fly on Sunday and never came back obviously fallen victim to the omnipresent peregrine .I got to tell you I got into this business to give me an interest in my declining years, that was about 20 years ago.Now I am getting seriously discouraged.I would be really grateful to be spared any patronising lectures about doing something myself about the six or seven pairs of falcons around here.

[yeboah]

Sent a red hen well raced last year

Appleby 62 mls lib east wind

The winner of our federation is Karl Guenther in dumfries doing over 1800

I think the lost birds have went with the wind along the solway coast and into Stranraer

That would then be over 100+miles back into Moffat on the nose

How wrong could I be it is with a fancier in Forfar

210mls by road from Appleby against the wind

Satnav problems me thinks ?

[Guest stb-]

Sent a red hen well raced last year

Appleby 62 mls lib east wind

The winner of our federation is Karl Guenther in dumfries doing over 1800

I think the lost birds have went with the wind along the solway coast and into Stranraer

That would then be over 100+miles back into Moffat on the nose

How wrong could I be it is with a fancier in Forfar

210mls by road from Appleby against the wind

Satnav problems me thinks ?

your feeding them wrong mick its forfar bridies you need to be giving them birds know what they want lol

[mazzie]

It's not returns at racing for me it's around the loft at the weekend had 37 out of 37 had 21 birds in four mins theses have been well trained by Ralph and been to the end of the motorway loads of times but sitting watching them fly on Sunday nite the hawk straight in 7 missing then Monday nite let them out at different time again birds hit thinking about dying the white birds a have wings different colours with food colouring to see if it will help

[Guest stb-]

It's not returns at racing for me it's around the loft at the weekend had 37 out of 37 had 21 birds in four mins theses have been well trained by Ralph and been to the end of the motorway loads of times but sitting watching them fly on Sunday nite the hawk straight in 7 missing then Monday nite let them out at different time again birds hit thinking about dying the white birds a have wings different colours with food colouring to see if it will help

taste aversion helps mertin

[mazzie]

Al just make them go faster round the loft just like they do on race day then the feckers can't catch them lol it's defo heartbreaking to see tho when there's nothing you can to to protect them

[Delboy]

Sent a hen on Saturday got it back OK, it's cock which had been kept back to feed two squeakers was let out for a fly on Sunday and never came back obviously fallen victim to the omnipresent peregrine .I got to tell you I got into this business to give me an interest in my declining years, that was about 20 years ago.Now I am getting seriously discouraged.I would be really grateful to be spared any patronising lectures about doing something myself about the six or seven pairs of falcons around here.

 

Naw, you and every other so called pigeon fancier with this cowardly attitude should hang your head in shame. Watching your stock getting hammered year in year out without doing ANYTHING to oppose it. You say 7 pair of falcolns, that's now, how many in a few years ?.Im sorry Walter, I'll not spare anyone for acting in this way.

 

taste aversion helps mertin

 

Think this has went over Mertins head Rab.

[Walter swanston]

Yes well as far as I can see Delboy, the fancy press each week is full of the details of experienced long time fanciers giving up because of the hawk problem and I can certainly understand why ,if you chose to come onto a site such as this and heap abuse on others for their decision that is a matter for you good luck to you all in your future endeavours

[frank-123]

Heard red sheep dye works under the wings and on the rump. Surely worth a try??

[Guest chad3646]

Yes well as far as I can see Delboy, the fancy press each week is full of the details of experienced long time fanciers giving up because of the hawk problem and I can certainly understand why ,if you chose to come onto a site such as this and heap abuse on others for their decision that is a matter for you good luck to you all in your future endeavours

 

 

walter i agree with everything delboy has said it is up to you and all the rest of the pigeon fanciers to do something about it other than moan about it

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

and that proves what walter you could have timed a piece of paper on saturday if you had thrown into the air it was the easyst race with the best forcast for years thats called luck m8 i make sure mines have the brains to get home without being lucky but you keep doing it your way walt a fantail can follow hundreds or thousands of birds up the road but the last 10 or 20 miles it has to think for its self and break thats why short and offten is best way to train latebreds or youngbirds for that matter and have a much better percentage of birds getting home dont think i be telling any novice to do it your way m8

IMO, your post is disrespectful to the top fanciers that will be up at the top of the fed sheet this week, the same very fanciers that have been very successful last year, this in all kinds of weather conditions.

 

I don't think you giving racing pigeons the credit they deserve Wattie, they are born with a built in homing instinct and personally i don't see the need to give latebreds 30+ tosses as some fanciers have on this site, time and cost of this needless exercise alone is outwith the average fancier, if after 5-6 tosses a fit latebred cant get home from a race from 80 miles then in my opinion there has to be a question mark regarding this pigeon.

 

 

Can remember in 2002, the first year flying young birds after moving to Larkhall, young birds had only 4 tosses prior to the first race and that was all they had, the reason being that i was too busy building an extension on the house, needless to say it was probably the best young bird season we had, including winning the young bird average in the west section of the fed flying against 3500 young birds most weeks.

 

 

++ the best fancier racing young birds in the Lanarkshire fed in 2013 only had a handful off tosses last year.

 

Bloodlines first, then let the basic instinct that pigeons are born with take over.

[mazzie]

Well everything goes over ma head delboy lol

 

After looking thru the Internet Am goin to try with food dye to try and I mean try to put the colours of a hawks eye on my white birds wings and back btw had whites for a few years now and still to see one took by the hawk

 

A good tip that works for me only around the loft is windows anyone that knows where I fly too knows that's there's busses all around the loft the hawks don't come near loft as soon as the see there reflection there off in a shot my birds are getting hit when there ranging a distance from the loft

[robbiedoo.]

IMO, your post is disrespectful to the top fanciers that will be up at the top of the fed sheet this week, the same very fanciers that have been very successful last year, this in all kinds of weather conditions.

 

I don't think you giving racing pigeons the credit they deserve Wattie, they are born with a built in homing instinct and personally i don't see the need to give latebreds 30+ tosses as some fanciers have on this site, time and cost of this needless exercise alone is outwith the average fancier, if after 5-6 tosses a fit latebred cant get home from a race on a favorable day from 80 miles then in my opinion there has to be a question mark regarding this pigeon.

 

 

Can remember in 2002, the first year flying young birds after moving to Larkhall, young birds had only 4 tosses prior to the first race and that was all they had, the reason being that i was too busy building an extension on the house, needless to say it was probably the best young bird season we had, including winning the young bird average in the west section of the fed flying against 3500 young birds most weeks.

 

 

++ the best fancier racing young birds in the Lanarkshire fed in 2013 only had a handful off tosses last year.

 

Bloodlines first, then let the basic instinct that pigeons are born with take over.

 

Spot on Gareth the thing that puzzles me is the need to breed latebrds in the first place if he hardly ever losses a doo? I have never realy tried late breads but this year I have 6 that have never seen a basket till Friday past also a team of 16 yearlings that had 3 tosses to 25 mile and 1 race at 100 mile last year so this will give me answers as to whether they need more training in their year of birth or good doos will shine or not regardless or not of what training they have had .this is jmo

[Walter swanston]

walter i agree with everything delboy has said it is up to you and all the rest of the pigeon fanciers to do something about it other than moan about it

[Walter swanston]

OK I have objected to the hawk business all over the place, I have spoken at planning committe meetings of Dumfries and Galloway council.I have addressed the countryside and wildlife committee of the Scottish Parliament all to no avail. I plead guilty to not having taken any direct action against predators but I do not think that merits personal abuse.

[Delboy]

OK I have objected to the hawk business all over the place, I have spoken at planning committe meetings of Dumfries and Galloway council.I have addressed the countryside and wildlife committee of the Scottish Parliament all to no avail. I plead guilty to not having taken any direct action against predators but I do not think that merits personal abuse.

 

You should know by now Walter that you cant debate the BOP problem away. Also, its not personal abuse Walter, im just including you in the majority of the pigeon fancy, disgraceful.

[sammy]

OK I have objected to the hawk business all over the place, I have spoken at planning committe meetings of Dumfries and Galloway council.I have addressed the countryside and wildlife committee of the Scottish Parliament all to no avail. I plead guilty to not having taken any direct action against predators but I do not think that merits personal abuse.

well done walter at least you have tried the way that you thought was right i applaud you for this ,but now you know there is nothing ever going to be done this way the rspb is to big a lieing machine that makes loads of money in the same way,listen to what everyone else says and supposedly does to protect what belongs to them am quite sure you will learn of ways to protect your stock ,good luck walter and hope you enjoy the rest of your season