Vaccine

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

How long can Vaccine be kept after its opened, or do you need to use it all ?

 

two rounds of young birds

[Guest TAMMY_1]

you are meant to use it all as soon as it is opened

[gulkie]

Is it possible that's the reason that some fanciers get para even after vaccinating by using a bottle that has already been opened ?

I believe that it says on the bottle once open use ,or is this for the sellers benefit ?Im sure when the doctor gives someone a jag from a bottle they don't throw the rest in the bin.

[bibendium]

OMO , I keep it in the fridge and would not consider throwing it out after its opened, , just another ploy to sell more vaccine IMO.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

There are various views on this.

 

Some say if you put a needle into the bottle you introduce air, thus contamination and the bottle life has began, 2 - 3 hours then finished.

 

Others say the rubber lid reseals itself and if kept refrigerated the vaccine stays good.

 

The manufacturers recommend use with a few hours, others say this is to boost sales.

 

At a cost of say £27 for 50 doses it breaks to 54p per bird.

 

If we continue to get this wrong MAFF will intervene and put us back to having to use the vets and the cost will rise.

 

Surely it makes sense to use a fresh bottle and if you know there will be spare left get together with others to use it up at the one time. Make this at Federation level then all birds will be done at the one time and if there is anything in Walter's theory a lot of problems may be eradicated; if there is nothing in his theory, at least overall you will have saved money.

[bibendium]

There are various views on this.

 

Some say if you put a needle into the bottle you introduce air, thus contamination and the bottle life has began, 2 - 3 hours then finished.

 

Others say the rubber lid reseals itself and if kept refrigerated the vaccine stays good.

 

The manufacturers recommend use with a few hours, others say this is to boost sales.

 

At a cost of say £27 for 50 doses it breaks to 54p per bird.

 

If we continue to get this wrong MAFF will intervene and put us back to having to use the vets and the cost will rise.

 

Surely it makes sense to use a fresh bottle and if you know there will be spare left get together with others to use it up at the one time. Make this at Federation level then all birds will be done at the one time and if there is anything in Walter's theory a lot of problems may be eradicated; if there is nothing in his theory, at least overall you will have saved money.

 

Some good points Andy

[Guest Owen]

As has previously been said. Keep it in the fridge, do not damage the top more than you have to and you can use it as you need it.

[gulkie]

As has previously been said. Keep it in the fridge, do not damage the top more than you have to and you can use it as you need it.

But Owen that's not what it says on the bottle .

[William Reid]

There are various views on this.

 

Some say if you put a needle into the bottle you introduce air, thus contamination and the bottle life has began, 2 - 3 hours then finished.

 

Others say the rubber lid reseals itself and if kept refrigerated the vaccine stays good.

 

The manufacturers recommend use with a few hours, others say this is to boost sales.

 

At a cost of say £27 for 50 doses it breaks to 54p per bird.

 

If we continue to get this wrong MAFF will intervene and put us back to having to use the vets and the cost will rise.

 

Surely it makes sense to use a fresh bottle and if you know there will be spare left get together with others to use it up at the one time. Make this at Federation level then all birds will be done at the one time and if there is anything in Walter's theory a lot of problems may be eradicated; if there is nothing in his theory, at least overall you will have saved money.

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[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Thanks guys as usual doo men that don't agree lol

 

cheers

Rab

[blue pied]

can i ask why vaccine has a date on it? surely if youve kept it in the fridge and not used it, it will be ok?

[Guest stb-]

There are various views on this.

 

Some say if you put a needle into the bottle you introduce air, thus contamination and the bottle life has began, 2 - 3 hours then finished.

 

Others say the rubber lid reseals itself and if kept refrigerated the vaccine stays good.

 

The manufacturers recommend use with a few hours, others say this is to boost sales.

 

At a cost of say £27 for 50 doses it breaks to 54p per bird.

 

If we continue to get this wrong MAFF will intervene and put us back to having to use the vets and the cost will rise.

 

Surely it makes sense to use a fresh bottle and if you know there will be spare left get together with others to use it up at the one time. Make this at Federation level then all birds will be done at the one time and if there is anything in Walter's theory a lot of problems may be eradicated; if there is nothing in his theory, at least overall you will have saved money.

Thats nonsence Andy when did we ever use Vets ??? I was the 2nd person in scotland to first get paramyxo virus in the 80s Davy wilson cambuslang being the first ! well we were the first who notified it . My race team took it at 3rd race and all my birds had been vaccinated at the club by the club sec twice in accordance with the harkers vaccine rules at the time .Shockingly my birds still contracted the virus . Nowadays i vaccinate all my birds old and young after the final old bird race and aprrox 4 weeks before yb race so in theory i jag allat one time but do put the remainder in the fridge for any late breeds i take and have never had a problem with any since so personally i would not be throwing it out .Also are you talking from exsperience hear or just here say Andy .

 

Thanks guys as usual doo men that don't agree lol

 

cheers

Rab

expletive remove Rab were you looking for miracles lol

[flying fifer]

OMO , I keep it in the fridge and would not consider throwing it out after its opened, , just another ploy to sell more vaccine IMO.

 

Must agree have used same bottle on more than 1 occasion and never had any problems, but would never use after date on bottle. Maybe a bit off double standards on my part, only telling what I've done in the past. Think it's more important to use individual needles, more time consuming, but more important IMO

[jim]

some members say that if you use opend bottle on young birds it causes ybs I don't know the answer

but for the sake of it a new bottle this time

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Indeed Rab

 

can i ask why vaccine has a date on it? surely if youve kept it in the fridge and not used it, it will be ok?

 

May be to do with maximizing sales Andrew, but still no sure

How you and the guys over in Kilsyth doing

[blue pied]

Indeed Rab

 

 

 

May be to do with maximizing sales Andrew, but still no sure

How you and the guys over in Kilsyth doing

yeh we are doing great cant wait for the season haaha

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Thats nonsence Andy when did we ever use Vets ??? I was the 2nd person in scotland to first get paramyxo virus in the 80s Davy wilson cambuslang being the first ! well we were the first who notified it . My race team took it at 3rd race and all my birds had been vaccinated at the club by the club sec twice in accordance with the harkers vaccine rules at the time .Shockingly my birds still contracted the virus . Nowadays i vaccinate all my birds old and young after the final old bird race and aprrox 4 weeks before yb race so in theory i jag allat one time but do put the remainder in the fridge for any late breeds i take and have never had a problem with any since so personally i would not be throwing it out .Also are you talking from exsperience hear or just here say Andy .

 

 

expletive remove Rab were you looking for miracles lol

 

My statements were purely voicing opinions already mooted by others. As to the use of vets, again I was informed that at one time vets came to the clubs to carry out the vaccinations.

 

Personally I have tried lots of different ways. I have vaccinated, discarded unused vaccine. I have vaccinated, saved used vaccine and re-used at a later date. I have vaccinated YB's coming out the nest and also done this with a repeat at 12 weeks of age, so 3 weeks and 12 weeks. In all cases I noticed no difference whatsoever, but that is just my personal situation.

 

Now I vaccinate and save. If when the time comes I feel flush, I buy new, if skint I use the saved vaccine.

 

I used to have a nurse vaccinate my birds while I held them. He said there was no reason why the vaccine wouldn't keep, in his opinion, but he also stated he knew nothing regarding the make-up of this particular vaccine, so I was no further forward.

 

From what I know of pigeon people we will never agree until agreement is forced on us. I also feel vaccinating pigeons is the least of our worries. I think our greatest problem is the lack of new blood coming in to the hobby and BOP decimating the pigeons we have.

 

Looking on the bright side, we will soon have full RSPB protection when the racing pigeon species number less than 1600 and the way BOP are taking them out combined with the fall in members, we are heading to endangered species level.

[Guest Owen]

gulkie

I know that is not what is says on the bottle but I can assure you that what I have told you is right.

The trick is to use just one needle in the bottle and leave it there. Detach the syringe from the needle you are using to inject and fill the syringe using the needle in the bottle. The result will be that you will have only one hole in the bottle which should remain small enough to seal over when you remove the needle at the end of the job. It is a matter of taking care as you carry out the vaccinations.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

gulkie

I know that is not what is says on the bottle but I can assure you that what I have told you is right.

The trick is to use just one needle in the bottle and leave it there. Detach the syringe from the needle you are using to inject and fill the syringe using the needle in the bottle. The result will be that you will have only one hole in the bottle which should remain small enough to seal over when you remove the needle at the end of the job. It is a matter of taking care as you carry out the vaccinations.

 

What about contamination from air entering the vaccine bottle via the needle, once the syringe is detached to carry out the vaccinations?

You are fairly close to David Parsons, what are his professional views as a vet?

[gulkie]

gulkie

I know that is not what is says on the bottle but I can assure you that what I have told you is right.

The trick is to use just one needle in the bottle and leave it there. Detach the syringe from the needle you are using to inject and fill the syringe using the needle in the bottle. The result will be that you will have only one hole in the bottle which should remain small enough to seal over when you remove the needle at the end of the job. It is a matter of taking care as you carry out the vaccinations.

Owen I don't disagree with what you says .the system you explained is exactly the way I do mine ,and as I said I'm sure that doctors and vets don't take a dose from a bottle and throw the rest in the bin.

[billt]

Owen I don't disagree with what you says .the system you explained is exactly the way I do mine ,and as I said I'm sure that doctors and vets don't take a dose from a bottle and throw the rest in the bin.

 

Vets and GP,s only ever use single dose vaccinations, they certainly don't store opened bottles

[Guest Owen]

As anyone who knows me will know I am a big supporter of vaccination. I have taken the views of Henk de Weerd very much to heart on this subject but I am not prepared to part use vaccine and throw the remaining vaccine in the bin. So to try to keep things right I am as careful as I can be to protect the vaccine from contamination. I also like to use steriliser to try to keep things as sterile as I can.

Right now we have a big problem with vaccine because Belgavac has had it's licence withdrawn and Colombavac is out of stock until the Autumn which just leaves Nobivac. I have had a long conversation about this with the Directorate of Veterinary Medicines and explained that I don't think Nobivac is suitable for pigeons but she is very slow to move on this. I am hoping she will re-licence Belgavac because I am sure that Colombavac are going to be even more unreliable in the future and as I say Nobivac may be fine for chicken but it is not really suitable for pigeons.

[Tony C]

Is Belgavac now available?

[sammy]

gulkie

I know that is not what is says on the bottle but I can assure you that what I have told you is right.

The trick is to use just one needle in the bottle and leave it there. Detach the syringe from the needle you are using to inject and fill the syringe using the needle in the bottle. The result will be that you will have only one hole in the bottle which should remain small enough to seal over when you remove the needle at the end of the job. It is a matter of taking care as you carry out the vaccinations.

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