philg50 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is it correct the Irish Homing Union have passed drug testing ,and if so what will they look for ? what type of chemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is it correct the Irish Homing Union have passed drug testing ,and if so what will they look for ? what type of chemicals.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gogga Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Phil don't think it will be a problem . Was talking to one of my Irish friends last week and he guaranteed me that know way he would share his chemicals with his pigeons :lol: :lol: :o :o lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 :o :o lol. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 . have you tried that stuff yet Billy that they use to clean wheel trims and rust? quite a few in England are trying it and after they get out intensive care they like to go for a spin after it and look shining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Drugging pigeons has been going on for years in Northern Ireland and Ireland , my father raced pigeons in Antrim in the late 80s and the early 90 and it's was going on back then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I sure that this problem is not only confined to Ireland, North and South :emoticon-0138-thinking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Your probably right there's a good chance it's happen all over the uk but the ihu are the only organisation in the uk that prepared to test the birds being entered into races . I personally cant see the point init as you are only kidding yourself on by drugging the birds as it's hard work and good pigeons that win u races not drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Think I will stick with this tam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Your probably right there's a good chance it's happen all over the uk but the ihu are the only organisation in the uk that prepared to test the birds being entered into races . I personally cant see the point init as you are only kidding yourself on by drugging the birds as it's hard work and good pigeons that win u races not drugs.well said davie but when they catch the ones doing it they should be banned from racing for life and there names in the press so we can all see who has been trying to cheat us the sad bassas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Aye your right Walter they should name and shame and they should defo be banned for life , I personal think all federation should be doing random drug tests cause it's a fact where there's money to be made Or won you will get people trying to cheat the system , it's only just last year at the bicc that pigeons tested had traces of pain killers found in them so it's not just performance inhancing there using its painkillers to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Aye your right Walter they should name and shame and they should defo be banned for life , I personal think all federation should be doing random drug tests cause it's a fact where there's money to be made Or won you will get people trying to cheat the system , it's only just last year at the bicc that pigeons tested had traces of pain killers found in them so it's not just performance inhancing there using its painkillers to .f k ive got cuboards full of them to lol your right davie should be done in all feds and nationals as they are stealing positions and money off fellow fanciers who have worked hard for there positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yip bang on especially nationals where the birds have to fly 12 hours or more and everyone knows it take a good doo and a lot af effort from use to get the bird fit to come home from these distances only to be beating by birds that's possible had a helping hand , am not saying all birds will of had a helping hand but we do need to try stop the people that are doing it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JSD Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The SNFC drug test i had the birds that were at the gold cup tested this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yip bang on especially nationals where the birds have to fly 12 hours or more and everyone knows it take a good doo and a lot af effort from use to get the bird fit to come home from these distances only to be beating by birds that's possible had a helping hand , am not saying all birds will of had a helping hand but we do need to try stop the people that are doing it .agree 100 percent random testing at marking stations and on route to race point if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 agree 100 percent random testing at marking stations and on route to race point if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear imo Random test would work cause if you knew there was a chance of your birds getten tested before they go to the race this would mibi make people think twice about doing it in the first place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The SNFC drug test i had the birds that were at the gold cup tested this year. Am not saying they don't do it but it's on a hole a think organisation like the snfc should be doing more to prevent it and stop the pigeon game become more corrupt than it already is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 agree 100 percent random testing at marking stations and on route to race point if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear imo Random testing - yes.Testing at race marking or en-route - definitely not, and it's nothing to do with the 'nothing to hide' principal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Random testing - yes.Testing at race marking or en-route - definitely not, and it's nothing to do with the 'nothing to hide' principal. Why not random testing at marking station ? If we do this it will make people think twice cause they know there's a possibility The birds will be tested before they leave the marking station . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Why not random testing at marking station ? If we do this it will make people think twice cause they know there's a possibility The birds will be tested before they leave the marking station . In hindsight, I may be coming round to a less random course of action !Is it not better to work with a more selective regime ? Is it not better to ensure our pigeons are not subject to another stress level just prior to being asked to compete ? Random testing would still allow pigeons to escape the procedure. Selective testing of pigeons who either win or appear on club / federation results would concentrate the effort. After all, surely the point of the exercise is to target those using 'drugs' and not just casting a wide net, which random testing would be. In your post you state 'it will make people think twice cause they know there's a possibility'. Wouldn't it be a bigger deterent for them to know it's a definite ! OMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 In hindsight, I may be coming round to a less random course of action !Is it not better to work with a more selective regime ? Is it not better to ensure our pigeons are not subject to another stress level just prior to being asked to compete ? Random testing would still allow pigeons to escape the procedure. Selective testing of pigeons who either win or appear on club / federation results would concentrate the effort. After all, surely the point of the exercise is to target those using 'drugs' and not just casting a wide net, which random testing would be. In your post you state 'it will make people think twice cause they know there's a possibility'. Wouldn't it be a bigger deterent for them to know it's a definite ! OMO. A would agree with u on what your saying on a more selective testing as yes some birds would escape the testing procedure with a random testing method , and yes we do need to think about the stress we would be causing the birds ,IMO is that something needs to be done either selective or random to stamp out drugs or whatever substances are being missed used , and I agree 100% it would be a greater deterant if it was a definite that your bird will be getting tested if you win or are in the top 10 or something along them lines . The bigger picture is actually getting Feds and national organization to start doing these test just like the ihu . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNSEE Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 A would agree with u on what your saying on a more selective testing as yes some birds would escape the testing procedure with a random testing method , and yes we do need to think about the stress we would be causing the birds ,IMO is that something needs to be done either selective or random to stamp out drugs or whatever substances are being missed used , and I agree 100% it would be a greater deterant if it was a definite that your bird will be getting tested if you win or are in the top 10 or something along them lines . The bigger picture is actually getting Feds and national organization to start doing these test just like the ihu . O.K. so lets say that you test every club and federation winner,would this be by blood test or droppings test?,where would you get it tested,the U.K. Holland,South Africa?,what are banned substances ?Who will meet these costs,which will be a drop in the ocean compared to the legal cost that would almost certainly follow in the law courts.If tested after the race you would have to prove that the banned substance could not have got into the birds body after he handed them over to the marking station,this would have to include after being liberated as many birds stop off for a drink,even if it tested positive for a banned substance,you can disqualify the bird,but to ban the fancier you would have to prove that they played a part or knew that a banned substance had been administered......remember every member involved would be innocent untill proven guilty and I feel that we are a long,long way from being in a position to carry out such tests........JBC/..P.S what about the many many pigeon products that fanciers use on their birds,how many actual know their contents...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 So what your saying is just sit back and let the pigeon game become corrupt to the core and let the people that's drugging there pigeons get away with it and take positions and pool money from hArd working fanciers , there is the cost factor and who would do the tests and where , but am not saying every fed and club winner should be tested as a said earlier it's was more the national set up where pigeons are really put to the test and are flying 12 to 14 hours on the wing there selfs and not with any help for whAt ever whether it was proformace inhancing drugs or pain killing drugs , bottom line it's happening all over the uk and something needs done about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Think I will stick with this tam. is that any good for your car wheels ? :emoticon-0140-rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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