William Reid Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Been watching this thread and think its got a bit lost .jmho I think any bird shape or size wich is 100% healthy and trained well can win races to 350 mls and some guys are so good at the motivation game they can reproduce week in and week out .over that distance I think it is a more honest pigeon.back,balance,brain,heart,desire . mind you I've been flying like a coo the last few years so no Pms or phone calls thanks things can only get better .think that was a good tune will post it Friday night :lol: :lol:
R.A.M.C.63 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 True billy boy, as 4 that tune Pi*h :lol:
William Reid Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 True billy boy, as 4 that tune Pi*h :lol: .
dwh Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Been watching this thread and think its got a bit lost .jmho I think any bird shape or size wich is 100% healthy and trained well can win races to 350 mls and some guys are so good at the motivation game they can reproduce week in and week out .over that distance I think it is a more honest pigeon.back,balance,brain,heart,desire . mind you I've been flying like a coo the last few years so no Pms or phone calls thanks things can only get better .think that was a good tune will post it Friday night :lol: :lol:Tend to disagree Billy my mates had a big pied cock called rocky he would come and up to Leicester 140 for us but you could bet your life on him out of pontefract 65 ish to us but after Leicester no chanceL do agree they will fly it but to win????Horses for courses imo
dal2 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 if they dont win a prize in club fed or national by 3 years old i dispose of them m8 good back or not unless there breeding winners all im saying is it is not always fact that a nice pigeon is a good pigeon only the basket can tell us that if anyone else can come on and tell the novices how to pick there birds without putting them in the basket please do so cause thats the only way i know instead of guys who have had doos for years sitting back and spliting hairs with someone trying to help them get on here and tell us all how to do it guysIf you applied some kind of criteria as a novice to the birds that you are breeding would you not increase the percentage? If you handled a three month old youngster and its tail pointed to the heavens what would you do? The same if you opened the wing(or tail) and it was badly fretted?
walterboswell59 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 If you applied some kind of criteria as a novice to the birds that you are breeding would you not increase the percentage? If you handled a three month old youngster and its tail pointed to the heavens what would you do? The same if you opened the wing(or tail) and it was badly fretted?if i get one like that il phone you dal lol
dal2 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 if i get one like that il phone you dal lolGood lad and i will buy it aff ye lol
just ask me Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 the basket will also select the stock for me apart from a few bought in of course and they will be picked due to their parents performances my very best racers will get a box in the stock loft it gets a few years with different partners if the results are not acceptable they dont get another its as simple as that really so really the basket selects all for me as the amount of good looking birds with nice backs good balance one tail feather (the list goes on) that have been rubbish is unreal if anyone could pick out good breeders or racers they would be very rich with the likes of money thats involved in the high end of the game
walterboswell59 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Good lad and i will buy it aff ye lollol
dal2 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 the basket will also select the stock for me apart from a few bought in of course and they will be picked due to their parents performances my very best racers will get a box in the stock loft it gets a few years with different partners if the results are not acceptable they dont get another its as simple as that really so really the basket selects all for me as the amount of good looking birds with nice backs good balance one tail feather (the list goes on) that have been rubbish is unreal if anyone could pick out good breeders or racers they would be very rich with the likes of money thats involved in the high end of the gameYer missing my point JAM. Of course you cant pick out yer champs from hand BUT you can get rid of a fair bit of chaff with some knowledge?
Guest maricelbill Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Well JAM that goes against everything ever taught to me mate. Wing is a complete window to the health and fitness of yer doo, when form is present etc. Just cant undestand why it should be ignored!!! When the BASKET is your master then you must have superb knowledge or have loads of pigeons and loads of time, niether of which I have!!![/quot does it matter when you still have to put it iin the basket? , bad pigeons can be as healthy as a good one and come into form same as a good one. coo bang clap and screw like a champion. but it has still got to go in the basket everyhing else is for amusement and conversation. the only test of a racing pigeon is to race it. there are plenty of shows about in winter time for all the other stuff. thought i suppose we do have to talk about somthing.
Guest stb- Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 If you applied some kind of criteria as a novice to the birds that you are breeding would you not increase the percentage? If you handled a three month old youngster and its tail pointed to the heavens what would you do? The same if you opened the wing(or tail) and it was badly fretted?i would hopefully no breed any way tails to the sky and im no keen on frets especialy on the tail but accept a battle scar or 2 from a long hard yin , any tail ups are oot with imediate effect
dal2 Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 i would hopefully no breed any way tails to the sky and im no keen on frets especialy on the tail but accept a battle scar or 2 from a long hard yin , any tail ups are oot with imediate effect[/quYe deffo rab. I still manage to breed a couple a year but they only make the perching stage before selection kicks in. Nae point in feeding it until the basket cos i know it will not be there when the going gets tough which was exactly my point in this thread.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 i would hopefully no breed any way tails to the sky and im no keen on frets especialy on the tail but accept a battle scar or 2 from a long hard yin , any tail ups are oot with imediate effect[/quYe deffo rab. I still manage to breed a couple a year but they only make the perching stage before selection kicks in. Nae point in feeding it until the basket cos i know it will not be there when the going gets tough which was exactly my point in this thread. Allowing for exceptions to the rule, since there always are, what is the concensus of opinion from the top fliers on here regarding tail up? Is tail up the thumbs up for culling on the grounds that as a general rule they never perform successfully at the distance races?
Guest stb- Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 ame='dal2' date=' 5 March 2014 - 20:24 PM' timestamp='1394051073' post='899697'] Allowing for exceptions to the rule, since there always are, what is the concensus of opinion from the top fliers on here regarding tail up? Is tail up the thumbs up for culling on the grounds that as a general rule they never perform successfully at the distance races?i personally have never had any good uns with the tail hinged uo the way all my best pigeons over the years have well tiled rounded rumps with tail pushing down in a one feather tail ,
gulkie Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Went to Louella in the 80 ties and bought about 6pair of Jan of arandonk and 4pair of Imbrechs paid a pretty Penny for the best ,bred from them that year ,the young went down like snow of a roof ,but the young we had Left bred from them the next year ,and they produced the goods some guys may remember (safe bet -superBlue - white beak)sold back to louella .could be doing with some of them now .So I believe that it's the 2nd Generation that produce the quality racers.you pays ur money u take ur chances.
Smithy1 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Went to Louella in the 80 ties and bought about 6pair of Jan of arandonk and 4pair of Imbrechs paid a pretty Penny for the best ,bred from them that year ,the young went down like snow of a roof ,but the young we had Left bred from them the next year ,and they produced the goods some guys may remember (safe bet -superBlue - white beak)sold back to louella .could be doing with some of them now .So I believe that it's the 2nd Generation that produce the quality racers.you pays ur money u take ur chances. Well done breeding these champions gulkie
gulkie Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Well done breeding these champions gulkieIt was not solely down to me it was my partner Donnie ,of brooks and Gilchrist ,the point of my story Is it's not the birds we purchased but their g-sons and g-daughters that produce the goods. Also I Believe that we got the pigeons at the right time .A quote from Dave Allan he said their is always a Time when a fancier is at his/ her best to buy from them .
walterboswell59 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 agree with you 100 percent wull i have found my double grandchildren and grandchildren are better producers than the direct children with my louella jan aardens and buying dbl granchildren the work has been done for you i like the way louella inbreed and line breed there birds and i do the same with them which is proving to be a goldmine for me producing winners and good birds every year but you must breed plenty off them to fined the winners there not all good ones the best thing i ever done was build the five single pair sections to fined out which pairs are breeding the goods and taking 14 to 18 yb off these pairs once you fined them works for me
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