Ok Guys Did What I Had To Do

[walterboswell59]

ok guys here is what ive discoverd i cant take all the credit for this as michael massarella planted the seed so to speak a while back i was talking to michael about old stock birds and fertility and we both agreed that with old hens when they stop laying its simply because they only have so many eggs in there ovaries and when there gone there gone but it was his theory on old cocks that set me thinking i told him i thought part of the problem with old cocks is when they are in a stock loft with other cocks they get bullied so i built single compartments and for the next few years it solved the problem all the old cocks eggs were full but now these cocks are 14 15 16 and now 18 year olds and were starting to miss a few and i thought this was because they were becoming infertile to which michael said he did not think old cocks ever became infertile i was very surprised to hear him say this and said so why do we get empty eggs with old cocks then michael said in his opinion its because the old cocks dont tread the hens enough now as most of you guys know i pair the stock birds early the old timers in the single compartments the 18 16 and 14 year olds were all empty f k i thought there done then i thought about what michael said so i split them for two days and then put them them back togethere this time i watched as i have cctv at my loft which i pointed at the stock loft close up view so i could see inside and record on my old vhs recorder what i saw was the first two days the old cocks were treading the hens every few hours but by the third and forth days the old cocks were happy just to sit in the bowl cooing to the hen who come to him and preen his head and such but they did not tread the hens michael was right after they are first paired the old guys lose interest in treading and are happy with a cuddle the sex drive is just not as strong ok i thought problem sussed but how do i fix it theres so much we dont know about our birds for instance when a hen preens a cock is she saying i need you to mate with me again is she trying to stimulate the old guy to tread her knowing if he does not her eggs will not be fertile or is she just showing affection who knows yet i thought when i had these old guys on a bull system all the eggs were full why was that then the penny droped because they only saw the hen once a day by taking the cocks away after treading they were stimulating thereself as they were missing not having a hen with them and were left alone in there own compartment to think about it so here is how i solved the problem of how to keep an old cock stimulated now now this is a family show keep it clean lol i did not want to keep taking the old cocks out there compartment at there age so after the 3rd day i took there hens out and put them in a basket every night as soon as i put them back in the morning the old guys tread them this i did every day till the first egg was layed taking the hens away after a few hours togethere then putting them back in the morning or next day was enough to make the old cocks glad to see them and they would tread them as soon as the hen was put back the result every one of there eggs are full anothere lesson learned just like us old guys absence makes the heart grow fonder and the brain stimulated lol

[billt]

Good read Walter, I have one old lad to test and I'd be over the moon if he produces again, That's the old beggar in my Avatar

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Well done Walter. Live and learn.

[gulkie]

Anyone got a basket that will hold a female 5 foot tall by 1-6 wide"??????

[walterboswell59]

there could be another factor at play also guys and that is maybe the old guys dont produce the same amount of good sperm as they did when younger so by keeping him interested to tread every day the better chance of catching the hen at her most fertile could also explain why 80 year old men can still father children with a younger women could it be that they just fancied a bit when there partner was at there most fertile

[billt]

Walter, did you continue to separate until the 2nd. egg was laid ?

[walterboswell59]

Walter, did you continue to separate until the 2nd. egg was laid ?

yes i did bill sorry meant to say lifted the first and put it back after the hen layed the second then checked for the spider after sitting three days all full

[billt]

yes i did bill sorry meant to say lifted the first and put it back after the hen layed the second then checked for the spider after sitting three days all full

Thanks for that Walter

[Guest stb-]

walter is this why you took so long to reply , you were watching a young hen being shown to 4 old cocks

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5748lK9HpOg&feature=youtu.be

[greenlands]

Anyone got a basket that will hold a female 5 foot tall by 1-6 wide"??????

Stand the basket on it's end mate. :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[walterboswell59]

walter is this why you took so long to reply , you were watching a young hen being shown to 4 old cocks

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5748lK9HpOg&feature=youtu.be

naw rab just four old cocks with four young hens fancy a bit my self now lol maybe i should let them watch some pigeon porn next time lol

[paddymac]

Thanks for sharing your observations with us Walter and enjoyed reading that :emoticon-0137-clapping: . Make sure those cameras are going well and we might have a few more insights before the seasons over

[walterboswell59]

Thanks for sharing your observations with us Walter and enjoyed reading that :emoticon-0137-clapping: . Make sure those cameras are going well and we might have a few more insights before the seasons over

afraid not pat back to watching for two legged rats takes there picture to so i know whos door to chap m8 me and my little friend lol

[paddymac]

afraid not pat back to watching for two legged rats takes there picture to so i know whos door to chap m8 me and my little friend lol

Too true Walter and sadly theres plenty of them about these days You'll just have to invite Michael over some weekend and both of you have a good few natters over tea/coffee (definately no alcohol as that will cloud the mind lol) and see if anything else of note arises

[fletch]

thanks mate

very interesting

last year i paired the old cock to a good hen last year knowing that he didn't fill any eggs the year before,

but the hen i paired him to was previously paired to our number 1 stock cock,

as i knew that the old cock may not of filled his eggs,

so till the 1st egg was laid

i let the hen go in the spare section with her previous cock for a hour every day (but i never saw him tred her, i not saying he didnt)

the 2 eggs were filled but both were cheq the hen is a blue and her previous cock was a blue

the old cock is a dark

i will never know if the old cock is the sire of the 2 yb but i do know that in the summer he did fill a egg and was a cheq a spit of one of the others

[hotrod]

Every days a school day Walter , need to keep this one up ma sleeve for the oldies . Observation the single most important thing for success .imho that's if you already have good pigeons .

[walterboswell59]

Too true Walter and sadly theres plenty of them about these days You'll just have to invite Michael over some weekend and both of you have a good few natters over tea/coffee (definately no alcohol as that will cloud the mind lol) and see if anything else of note arises

dont think so pat but ive been invited to loulla pigeon world a few times would love to go but dont fancy the journey 5 hours or there about and im a bad traveller plus dont think hed fancy a wee council house in hamilton but you never know lol even if i was lucky enough to win a national and he wanted to buy it im f k d cause ive already told him id give it to him as a present as long as i get a pair of youngsters off every cock or hen its paired to lol

[paddymac]

dont think so pat but ive been invited to loulla pigeon world a few times would love to go but dont fancy the journey 5 hours or there about and im a bad traveller plus dont think hed fancy a wee council house in hamilton but you never know lol even if i was lucky enough to win a national and he wanted to buy it im f k d cause ive already told him id give it to him as a present as long as i get a pair of youngsters off every cock or hen its paired to lol

Hopefully that National won't be too far away Walter, best wishes and good luck and thankyou again for sharing your observations with us on Basics

[walterboswell59]

Every days a school day Walter , need to keep this one up ma sleeve for the oldies . Observation the single most important thing for success .imho that's if you already have good pigeons .

your right pal not much point going through the hassle if there breeding rubbish m8 as dell says wheelie as it costs the same to feed a good old one as a crap younger one

[walterboswell59]

Hopefully that National won't be too far away Walter, best wishes and good luck and thankyou again for sharing your observations with us on Basics

thanks pat but being relistic to win the west section of a 500 mile national would be a dream im not silly enough to think il ever get 18 national diplomas in four races again if i get near half that this year il be over the moon my aim this season is to get more birds higher up the result so one step at a time with feet firmly on the ground is how il be playing it m8

[Guest TAMMY_1]

ok guys here is what ive discoverd i cant take all the credit for this as michael massarella planted the seed so to speak a while back i was talking to michael about old stock birds and fertility and we both agreed that with old hens when they stop laying its simply because they only have so many eggs in there ovaries and when there gone there gone but it was his theory on old cocks that set me thinking i told him i thought part of the problem with old cocks is when they are in a stock loft with other cocks they get bullied so i built single compartments and for the next few years it solved the problem all the old cocks eggs were full but now these cocks are 14 15 16 and now 18 year olds and were starting to miss a few and i thought this was because they were becoming infertile to which michael said he did not think old cocks ever became infertile i was very surprised to hear him say this and said so why do we get empty eggs with old cocks then michael said in his opinion its because the old cocks dont tread the hens enough now as most of you guys know i pair the stock birds early the old timers in the single compartments the 18 16 and 14 year olds were all empty f k i thought there done then i thought about what michael said so i split them for two days and then put them them back togethere this time i watched as i have cctv at my loft which i pointed at the stock loft close up view so i could see inside and record on my old vhs recorder what i saw was the first two days the old cocks were treading the hens every few hours but by the third and forth days the old cocks were happy just to sit in the bowl cooing to the hen who come to him and preen his head and such but they did not tread the hens michael was right after they are first paired the old guys lose interest in treading and are happy with a cuddle the sex drive is just not as strong ok i thought problem sussed but how do i fix it theres so much we dont know about our birds for instance when a hen preens a cock is she saying i need you to mate with me again is she trying to stimulate the old guy to tread her knowing if he does not her eggs will not be fertile or is she just showing affection who knows yet i thought when i had these old guys on a bull system all the eggs were full why was that then the penny droped because they only saw the hen once a day by taking the cocks away after treading they were stimulating thereself as they were missing not having a hen with them and were left alone in there own compartment to think about it so here is how i solved the problem of how to keep an old cock stimulated now now this is a family show keep it clean lol i did not want to keep taking the old cocks out there compartment at there age so after the 3rd day i took there hens out and put them in a basket every night as soon as i put them back in the morning the old guys tread them this i did every day till the first egg was layed taking the hens away after a few hours togethere then putting them back in the morning or next day was enough to make the old cocks glad to see them and they would tread them as soon as the hen was put back the result every one of there eggs are full anothere lesson learned just like us old guys absence makes the heart grow fonder and the brain stimulated lol

 

 

are you talking about you or the birds here ? :emoticon-0140-rofl: but makes very good and interesting food for thought

[walterboswell59]

are you talking about you or the birds here ? :emoticon-0140-rofl: but makes very good and interesting food for thought

maybe a bit of both tam lol but it deff works m8

[We man]

Thanks for sharing your observations with us Walter and enjoyed reading that :emoticon-0137-clapping: . Make sure those cameras are going well and we might have a few more insights before the seasons over

Thanks from me also Walter,great stuff and good to see the article about you in this weeks Homing World,well deserved.

[walterboswell59]

thankyou guys hope it helps someone get a pair off there old favoriet

[budgie]

Walter do the Auld Cocks rear the youngster's and if they do what is he strike rate for winning.