Snfc Race Program Proposal Poll

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Phil Lynch put forward a proposal that was seconded which is his right, not for personal benefit but for national members of three feds which were disadvantaged by sections made up by federation boundaries. If he was unable to discuss that fact because of disruption by what I would term as hooligans who were not concerned with listening to home truths and perhaps watch the advantage they receive disappear then I feel sorry for them as they are only proving that they don't want FAIR PLAY. Rail roading never entered the equation and post "44" sums it up.

Peter Home truths is only that of a personal opinion. Regards to federation boundaries, this worked well until individuals started abusing it by jumping ship to suit there own desires, thus creating doglegs within the section boundaries, does some sections need tyding up ? yes they do, but only to get rid of these doglegs that have been created by unprofessional goings on. JMO

Cheers

Gareth

[tiger]

Peter Home truths is only that of a personal opinion. Regards to federation boundaries, this worked well until individuals/feds started abusing it by jumping ship to suit there own desires, thus creating doglegs within the section boundaries, does some sections need tyding up ? yes they do, but only to get rid of these doglegs that have been created by unprofessional goings on. JMO

Cheers

Gareth

 

that's right unprofessional some doo want it all. first drop ? but quiet happy two fly against men 25 miles west of them but not east of them it would have been much FAIRER. that's all phil tried two do , but the west guys kicked into touch

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

that's right unprofessional some doo want it all. first drop ? but quiet happy two fly against men 25 miles west of them but not east of them it would have been much FAIRER. that's all phil tried two do , but the west guys kicked into touch

Personally feel that Dr Lynch would never had this proposal in the agenda the last two years if the guys in Camelon/Falkirk (section E) had been is section D, where in my opinion they belong. Can see how he feels aggrieved with members that are 1 mile south east of him that are in a different and more favorable section location.

 

Its never going to be 100% fair, but doglegs into sections will only create animosity within the sport.

[Big Davie]

Phil Lynch put forward a proposal that was seconded which is his right, not for personal benefit but for national members of three feds which were disadvantaged by sections made up by federation boundaries. If he was unable to discuss that fact because of disruption by what I would term as hooligans who were not concerned with listening to home truths and perhaps watch the advantage they receive disappear then I feel sorry for them as they are only proving that they don't want FAIR PLAY. Rail roading never entered the equation and post "44" sums it up.

Fair play and railroading, wonder why the AGM was moved to Stenhousemuir

 

 

Personally feel that Dr Lynch would never had this proposal in the agenda the last two years if the guys in Camelon/Falkirk (section E) had been is section D, where in my opinion they belong. Can see how he feels aggrieved with members that are 1 mile south east of him that are in a different and more favorable section location.

 

Its never going to be 100% fair, but doglegs into sections will only create animosity within the sport.

Gareth, your post sums up my thoughts exactly and their is no doubt that section boundaries have been abused in this area

[Henrik]

Not in favour of Dr Lynch,s proposal regarding the sections but maybe they need to be tidies up using Grid references, no everyone be happy but you cant please everyone.

[peter pandy]

Fair play and railroading, wonder why the AGM was moved to Stenhousemuir

 

 

Gareth, your post sums up my thoughts exactly and their is no doubt that section boundaries have been abused in this area

Davie & Gareth for the record their are NO FALKIRK LOFTS in the West Section nor are we in Camelon South East of Phill, However your pal from Newbiggen is roughly 10 miles East of the NORTH WEST FED. No Federation boundaries have been changed in my 55 years in the sport to my knowledge so please refrain from stirring untruths and deal with the facts.

[bullcock]

Davie & Gareth for the record their are NO FALKIRK LOFTS in the West Section nor are we in Camelon South East of Phill, However your pal from Newbiggen is roughly 10 miles East of the NORTH WEST FED. No Federation boundaries have been changed in my 55 years in the sport to my knowledge so please refrain from stirring untruths and deal with the facts.

D.Hogg of Camelon won 1st West and 1st Section E in Ypres 2011, is this not in Falkirk ?

[Delboy]

Davie & Gareth for the record their are NO FALKIRK LOFTS in the West Section nor are we in Camelon South East of Phill, However your pal from Newbiggen is roughly 10 miles East of the NORTH WEST FED. No Federation boundaries have been changed in my 55 years in the sport to my knowledge so please refrain from stirring untruths and deal with the facts.

 

Peter, where is Tam Crams loft, this is not a loaded question.

[peter pandy]

D.Hogg of Camelon won 1st West and 1st Section E in Ypres 2011, is this not in Falkirk ?

NO

[bullcock]

NO

Below is a paste from the internet describing the location of Camelon, this is why I asked.

 

Camelon is a large settlement within the Falkirk council area, Scotland. The village is in the Forth Valley, 1.3 mi west of Falkirk, 1.3 mi south of Larbert and 2.6 mi east of Bonnybridge

[peter pandy]

Peter, where is Tam Crams loft, this is not a loaded question.

200 yards direct South of me Del and he uses Falkirk as his town address as I and many locals do because nobody outside the village has heard of Camelon, Larbert, Carron, Bainsford, Carronshore, Skinflats, Polmont, Redding, West Quarter, Glen Village, Shieldhill, Maddiston, Brightons, Hallglen, Bantaskine, or California all coming under the umbrella of Falkirk unless you live here. The FK postcode goes from Linlithgow in the East out to Killin in the West. If you take the Longitude line through Camelon I do believe Larkhall lies further West and Stirling will be hitting Glasgow or thereabouts.

[Guest stb-]

200 yards direct South of me Del and he uses Falkirk as his town address as I and many locals do because nobody outside the village has heard of Camelon, Larbert, Carron, Bainsford, Carronshore, Skinflats, Polmont, Redding, West Quarter, Glen Village, Shieldhill, Maddiston, Brightons, Hallglen, Bantaskine, or California all coming under the umbrella of Falkirk unless you live here. The FK postcode goes from Linlithgow in the East out to Killin in the West. If you take the Longitude line through Camelon I do believe Larkhall lies further West and Stirling will be hitting Glasgow or thereabouts.

Peter yes the line does run that way if your using the true north to south line but we all know that the country does not lay north to south .

 

using the line your using cornwall in the south west of england would be on the same line as aberdeen north east scotland . the north to south runs diagonally across the country and that should not be used for splitting sections . Better to use top and bottom and left and right as the map stands.

[Delboy]

200 yards direct South of me Del and he uses Falkirk as his town address as I and many locals do because nobody outside the village has heard of Camelon, Larbert, Carron, Bainsford, Carronshore, Skinflats, Polmont, Redding, West Quarter, Glen Village, Shieldhill, Maddiston, Brightons, Hallglen, Bantaskine, or California all coming under the umbrella of Falkirk unless you live here. The FK postcode goes from Linlithgow in the East out to Killin in the West. If you take the Longitude line through Camelon I do believe Larkhall lies further West and Stirling will be hitting Glasgow or thereabouts.

 

 

??? Direct south of Stirling is Denny or Bonnybridge Peter.

[Delboy]

Ye know, the same old sh yte every year about loft location and unfairness and we still do fk all about it.My theory of fatigue factor/breaking point etc etc must be put in place or the pigeon game is a piece of nonsense. Everyone knows, a bird timed in Glasgow 1 hour after a bird in Dunbar in a west wind is the best bird but the result says different. Total lunacy.

[geordie1234]

Ye know, the same old sh yte every year about loft location and unfairness and we still do fk all about it.My theory of fatigue factor/breaking point etc etc must be put in place or the pigeon game is a piece of nonsense. Everyone knows, a bird timed in Glasgow 1 hour after a bird in Dunbar in a west wind is the best bird but the result says different. Total lunacy.

Agree Derek mate

 

completely diff race and diff doos required this side of the country

[peter pandy]

I am sorry to say I was not around at the inaugural SNFC meeting when our forefathers decided where the sections would be taken from nor do I believe they would have taken federation boundaries into consideration if they had known the furore it was going to cause in the future albeit a good bit of banter on this forum. Like it or lump it that's the way it is and will remain in the future.. maybe.. I will repeat myself for the last time Their have never been boundary changes and if the late Budgie had never won the section this post would not be taking place.

[DJWa]

Agree Derek mate

 

completely diff race and diff doos required this side of the country

 

the calibre of doos in the west is no different than the north ,south or east

the west bennifits from any east in the wind and the east bennifits from west in the wind

[geordie1234]

the calibre of doos in the west is no different than the north ,south or east

the west bennifits from any east in the wind and the east bennifits from west in the wind

I wish it was the way you say it but it is simply not. Good doos required to win anywhere but different type off doos here in the west

 

ps i'm not saying the doos that win in the west are better than the east north or south just saying it requires a different type of doo....

[dkj]

Ye know, the same old sh yte every year about loft location and unfairness and we still do fk all about it.My theory of fatigue factor/breaking point etc etc must be put in place or the pigeon game is a piece of nonsense. Everyone knows, a bird timed in Glasgow 1 hour after a bird in Dunbar in a west wind is the best bird but the result says different. Total lunacy.

 

 

the winning birds in 2 the west never see the east coast of scotland and if they do there not good enough. winners come on a straight line as possible. the solway birds do it every year and if your with them u wont be far away.

[geordie1234]

the winning birds in 2 the west never see the east coast of scotland and if they do there not good enough. winners come on a straight line as possible. the solway birds do it every year and if your with them u wont be far away.

Exactly why the solway want as westerly race points as possible from France

[dkj]

I wish it was the way you say it but it is simply not. Good doos required to win anywhere but different type off doos here in the west

 

ps i'm not saying the doos that win in the west are better than the east north or south just saying it requires a different type of doo....

 

good pigeons win anywhere. matt jamieson 4th open snfc alencon is the grand sire of my 3rd open snfc ancesis. its just good pigeons

[shugf2003]

the calibre of doos in the west is no different than the north ,south or east

the west bennifits from any east in the wind and the east bennifits from west in the wind

 

Maybe you are correct more often than not its a west wind remember when i first joined the national it was a glorious day all over the country and we were waiting on word of a liberation. It was an East wind and everybody new there would be no lib due this fact nothing changes ???

[Guest stb-]

I am sorry to say I was not around at the inaugural SNFC meeting when our forefathers decided where the sections would be taken from nor do I believe they would have taken federation boundaries into consideration if they had known the furore it was going to cause in the future albeit a good bit of banter on this forum. Like it or lump it that's the way it is and will remain in the future.. maybe.. I will repeat myself for the last time Their have never been boundary changes and if the late Budgie had never won the section this post would not be taking place.

Peter did denny club not open there boundry to take in the camelon lads when there membership had dwindled .Im sure Duncan and Jock R said it had when they joined the midland fed .

 

was looking at map and the line does go from glasgow to stirling usuing actual north but we would not use true north as the line shows Red true north black asumed north .Hope this works .

[Delboy]

good pigeons win anywhere. matt jamieson 4th open snfc alencon is the grand sire of my 3rd open snfc ancesis. its just good pigeons

 

lol

[DJWa]

Maybe you are correct more often than not its a west wind remember when i first joined the national it was a glorious day all over the country and we were waiting on word of a liberation. It was an East wind and everybody new there would be no lib due this fact nothing changes ???

 

look at the wind for the 1st inland national the last 4 or 5 years

I think you will find that its been mostly north east or south east winds

how many times have we heard it on here that the birds have been blown over to Ireland

 

channel races over 500 miles are still affected by the wind direction but not quite as bad as shorter races