Have Just Been Told

[andy Burgess]

I understand the HULL North Roaders raced Old birds from Perth libbed 6 am yesterday ,arriving into the North East of England around 8.30.around the time many of our youngsters were on the wing heading for home ??

[blucock]

Race controller in comms with them mate ?

[andy Burgess]

Race controller in comms with them mate ?

no idea ?? doesn't look likely

[OLDYELLOW]

We assume that race controllers know what's happening in the area with other birds but I don't think there's any communication amongst them at all. Time someone came up with a map and flight path programme so people can update with liberations certainly be the way forward

[andy Burgess]

We assume that race controllers know what's happening in the area with other birds but I don't think there's any communication amongst them at all. Time someone came up with a map and flight path programme so people can update with liberations certainly be the way forward

I am not knocking any race controllers (a tough job at the best of times) . a map showing flying routes and other information would be very usefull to all .

[clockman]

I am not knocking any race controllers (a tough job at the best of times) . a map showing flying routes and other information would be very usefull to all .

 

 

Going by the rpra website & bhw Hull N.R was suppose to be at Thurso

[OLDYELLOW]

no doubt about it tis a hard job even on a good day losses can be high

[andy Burgess]

Going by the rpra website & bhw Hull N.R was suppose to be at Thurso

it was 3rd hand information Geo , I "sit" to be corrected

[Guest IB]

Saturday was a strange day for many Federations racing into Scotland. We were at Coldstream with as far as we can tell the skies to ourself and it was no different for us. I fared OK, 6/9 at clocks, 2 waiting for me after clocks, and found the last one in the loft about 3pm. I didn't know about the birds at Perth, and I couldn't begin to imagine what line of flight they would strike for home, but I doubt they would have had an impact on so many youngsters coming north.

 

I understand the weather is a system and what is happening in one area has an affect on another area many miles away. One thing I did wonder about was what effect the weather in the severe storm that was on the way north into England from Europe Friday night / Saturday would have on the atmospheric conditions further north long before the storm was due to reach us on the Saturday night? For example how far north would the effects of the storm be felt in the atmosphere e.g. the noise and air movement (thunder) and air heating (lightning)in English southern and midland regions, and would this affect youngsters in the seemingly 'clear' skies in north east England / southern Scotland?

[andy Burgess]

Saturday was a strange day for many Federations racing into Scotland. We were at Coldstream with as far as we can tell the skies to ourself and it was no different for us. I fared OK, 6/9 at clocks, 2 waiting for me after clocks, and found the last one in the loft about 3pm. I didn't know about the birds at Perth, and I couldn't begin to imagine what line of flight they would strike for home, but I doubt they would have had an impact on so many youngsters coming north.

 

I understand the weather is a system and what is happening in one area has an affect on another area many miles away. One thing I did wonder about was what effect the weather in the severe storm that was on the way north into England from Europe Friday night / Saturday would have on the atmospheric conditions further north long before the storm was due to reach us on the Saturday night? For example how far north would the effects of the storm be felt in the atmosphere e.g. the noise and air movement (thunder) and air heating (lightning)in English southern and midland regions, and would this affect youngsters in the seemingly 'clear' skies in north east England / southern Scotland?

well something has affected them , for sure .just wish I knew what ,so I can "be aware" of it in the future ,,,,,,,,,, if there is one ??

[Wiley]

Lots of loses in the whole British isles. Many theories personally I think everyone was rushing to get there birds up as the forecasts actually said they couldn't say when the storms and rain would come in

[anto b]

it was a tough day in Dublin for a lot of fanciers , I got 6 back from 7 have to be happy with that .

I think the unsettled weather definitely was a factor , when there is thunder and lightning in the

lead up to a race in future maybe the right thing to do is give it a miss , ive only a small team ,

one bad bang and it would be season over. a lot of losses reported.

[clockman]

it was 3rd hand information Geo , I "sit" to be corrected

 

 

They did lib from perth tho

[Novice]

We assume that race controllers know what's happening in the area with other birds but I don't think there's any communication amongst them at all. Time someone came up with a map and flight path programme so people can update with liberations certainly be the way forward

 

Please believe that there is a great deal of communication and co-operation between Scottish Race Controllers.

When dealing with our counterparts South of the border there is certainly less co-operation. This does not apply in all cases but certainly in some.

 

Losses on Saturday were unacceptable on what appeared to be good racing day. We all have gut feelings about weekends when the "air just doesn't feel right" but can you imagine the uproar if a Controller were to postpone a race based on his gut feeling?

There will always be high losses at the first few young bird races while fanciers are as gung-ho in attitude as they are.

I applaud Lanarkshire's training scheme as their birds were well schooled before the race.

 

In my opinion another 2 factors which contributed to losses on Saturday were a high KP index on Friday and electricity in the atmosphere on Saturday.

 

The R.P.R.A web site is a useful tool and should be more up to date than the BHW which is published in advance. Recently I wrote to the R.P.R.A asking that, as a first step to improving race day communication, the web site should be made dynamic allowing organisations to post potential liberation times and relocation of transporters as they happen. Hull NR liberating at Perth on Saturday is an example of how this would be a positive step.

This idea was rejected out of hand.

 

There is no doubt that should be able to improve our performance. The governing bodies should be able to obtain detailed weather reports and Kindex warnings which they then circulate to interested parties.

 

Sorry if this post sounded long winded but there are occasions when Race Controllers just can't win.

[peter pandy]

K index due to sun spot activity will change magnetic North, This may be the reason birds flying South to North would be hit hardest while those Feds negotiating the East to West route would fare better. When in conversation with fancier friends I am often told I am talking jobbies perhaps because they are not forward thinkers like myself. "tongue in cheek".

[OLDYELLOW]

Please believe that there is a great deal of communication and co-operation between Scottish Race Controllers.

When dealing with our counterparts South of the border there is certainly less co-operation. This does not apply in all cases but certainly in some.

 

Losses on Saturday were unacceptable on what appeared to be good racing day. We all have gut feelings about weekends when the "air just doesn't feel right" but can you imagine the uproar if a Controller were to postpone a race based on his gut feeling?

There will always be high losses at the first few young bird races while fanciers are as gung-ho in attitude as they are.

I applaud Lanarkshire's training scheme as their birds were well schooled before the race.

 

In my opinion another 2 factors which contributed to losses on Saturday were a high KP index on Friday and electricity in the atmosphere on Saturday.

 

The R.P.R.A web site is a useful tool and should be more up to date than the BHW which is published in advance. Recently I wrote to the R.P.R.A asking that, as a first step to improving race day communication, the web site should be made dynamic allowing organisations to post potential liberation times and relocation of transporters as they happen. Hull NR liberating at Perth on Saturday is an example of how this would be a positive step.

This idea was rejected out of hand.

 

There is no doubt that should be able to improve our performance. The governing bodies should be able to obtain detailed weather reports and Kindex warnings which they then circulate to interested parties.

 

Sorry if this post sounded long winded but there are occasions when Race Controllers just can't win.

were all screwed when the unions don't want to out lay for such a project but yet were still paying fer a computer system via transfers and they have continued it money grabbing *****!!!! Race Controllers like I said have a hell of a job even on a good day

[sammy]

Please believe that there is a great deal of communication and co-operation between Scottish Race Controllers.

When dealing with our counterparts South of the border there is certainly less co-operation. This does not apply in all cases but certainly in some.

 

Losses on Saturday were unacceptable on what appeared to be good racing day. We all have gut feelings about weekends when the "air just doesn't feel right" but can you imagine the uproar if a Controller were to postpone a race based on his gut feeling?

There will always be high losses at the first few young bird races while fanciers are as gung-ho in attitude as they are.

I applaud Lanarkshire's training scheme as their birds were well schooled before the race.

 

In my opinion another 2 factors which contributed to losses on Saturday were a high KP index on Friday and electricity in the atmosphere on Saturday.

 

The R.P.R.A web site is a useful tool and should be more up to date than the BHW which is published in advance. Recently I wrote to the R.P.R.A asking that, as a first step to improving race day communication, the web site should be made dynamic allowing organisations to post potential liberation times and relocation of transporters as they happen. Hull NR liberating at Perth on Saturday is an example of how this would be a positive step.

This idea was rejected out of hand.

 

There is no doubt that should be able to improve our performance. The governing bodies should be able to obtain detailed weather reports and Kindex warnings which they then circulate to interested parties.

 

Sorry if this post sounded long winded but there are occasions when Race Controllers just can't win.

the powers to be are only interested in ONE THING OUR MONEY nothing else and the quicker the FANCY realises that the better