Basket Room

[yeboah]

What's your views on the Scottish birds going to national races with 20 per basket especially in this heat when others go with 15

Look forward to your replies

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Not sure of the exact transport situation, but if you look at the Gold Cup race I think the transporter used could have held nearly double the birds entered in the race. In the case of that race there was really no need to have as many as 20 in a basket.

[walterboswell59]

no need for it if they have the room give the birds the benafit 15 in a basket would make a big difference to the birds imo mick

[walterbmasson]

There should be no need for crazy posts like this if the \room is there use it , common sense should prevail let the birds get easy access ta water , and this crap about air conditioning my car has it but when it gets really hot whats the first thing ye de is drink , what kind of treatment is this ta start a bird on a journey of 600+ miles using energy trying ta get a drink OMG

[Henrik]

So if it get cut to 15 then you,ll be wanting 10, then soon we,ll have a basket for every bird plus a spare in case that one gets dirty. At 20 a basket there is plenty room.

[walterbmasson]

So if it get cut to 15 then you,ll be wanting 10, then soon we,ll have a basket for every bird plus a spare in case that one gets dirty. At 20 a basket there is plenty room.

There is na need for 20 doos theres plenty room let the birds get ta the water with out using energy up trying ta get a bloody drink for 3 days in extreme heat get a life tak a back seat ?

[Henrik]

As I said before Mr Masson if your not happy come to the AGM with a proposal and get it voted thru, but if you cant be bothered to attend nae point mouthing off about it on a forum.

[Delboy]

Common sense will prevail here im sure. Im sure the SNFC transport manager will let the convenors know whats needed AND HOW MANY TO PUT IN BASKETS.

[walterboswell59]

Common sense will prevail here im sure. Im sure the SNFC transport manager will let the convenors know whats needed AND HOW MANY TO PUT IN BASKETS.

hope so dell the forcast is showing a roaster for friday hope the birds get a good drink before lib m8 hope you get a good one dell good luck m8

[walterboswell59]

So if it get cut to 15 then you,ll be wanting 10, then soon we,ll have a basket for every bird plus a spare in case that one gets dirty. At 20 a basket there is plenty room.

what a load of p*ss the mans right in what hes saying if you have the room give the birds the benifit why run half empty when you can spread them out get off yer high horse and let the members have there say henrik our only concern is the birds m8

[dal2]

Deffo less birds and perhaps a look at diffo watering systems to the ones hooked on back?

[yeboah]

So if it get cut to 15 then you,ll be wanting 10, then soon we,ll have a basket for every bird plus a spare in case that one gets dirty. At 20 a basket there is plenty room.

When we get 15 accepted like all major organisations ,I will certainly not be looking for 10 or 1per basket what a statement having spoken to a highly respected convoyer he stated that some birds never get to the water with 20per basket other organisations have figured that one out

I will be putting a proposal in writing for the Agm and will then take the outcome from there far to many people talking about overcrowding time that it was addressed

I will care and tend for more stray birds than most and would never ever have 20 in a crate for 3-4 days let alone expect them to then fly hundreds of miles

[Henrik]

The members had their say at an AGM where it was decided that the baskets would have 22 inland and 20 over the water each marking station therefore has their allocation worked out to these numbers.Im all for reducing the numbers in the baskets but it cant just be done willy nilly, what happens if you get a bigger than expected entry and you have underfilled the baskets what do you do with the ones at the end tell the guys sorry we,ve no more room because we havent enough baskets.

[Delboy]

hope so dell the forcast is showing a roaster for friday hope the birds get a good drink before lib m8 hope you get a good one dell good luck m8

 

Same to yersel Wattie

 

When we get 15 accepted like all major organisations ,I will certainly not be looking for 10 or 1per basket what a statement having spoken to a highly respected convoyer he stated that some birds never get to the water with 20per basket other organisations have figured that one out

I will be putting a proposal in writing for the Agm and will then take the outcome from there far to many people talking about overcrowding time that it was addressed

I will care and tend for more stray birds than most and would never ever have 20 in a crate for 3-4 days let alone expect them to then fly hundreds of miles

 

Like I said Mick, common sense must prevail.Ill second your proposal m8.

[Henrik]

When we get 15 accepted like all major organisations ,I will certainly not be looking for 10 or 1per basket what a statement having spoken to a highly respected convoyer he stated that some birds never get to the water with 20per basket other organisations have figured that one out

I will be putting a proposal in writing for the Agm and will then take the outcome from there far to many people talking about overcrowding time that it was addressed

I will care and tend for more stray birds than most and would never ever have 20 in a crate for 3-4 days let alone expect them to then fly hundreds of miles

Aye well if you put it in writing Michael I,ll put my hand in the air for your proposal but at the present time the rule states 20 and it will not change just because it is spoken about by a few folk on a forum.

[geordie1234]

Henrik everyone knows fine well that it has to be done at the AGM they are only having there say on a forum just like you can have your say

[Delboy]

Bobby, theres no way there were 20 put in the Ancensis baskets, so it is down to common sense m8.

 

The secretary or transport manager should determine how many go in a basket , with previous birdages taken into account. 20 is the maximum and this should rarely be used .

[Guest IB]

I doubt that space in the basket has anything to do with the solving the real problem that the thread has clearly brought out – free access to drinking water for all the birds in that basket. It doesn’t matter if there’s only 2 birds in the basket, if there is only one drinking station in it to drink from it only takes one of those two birds to claim it and the other is denied water. At last years AGM, a prototype basket was displayed which had water available on 3 sides. I think we need to go ahead and get those into production for 2014 season.

 

A study I read a few years back made it clear that birds could be held in metal crates in an oven at 30C indefinitely - provided water was always available. But there is a big difference between water being available and water being drunk. That study videod the birds in these crates and as soon as a bird made a move towards the drinker all hell let loose in it. So some sort of basket craft – how to handle being confined in a basket for a few days – needs to be instilled in the birds before they are confined for days with complete strangers.

 

SNFC is the now the only Scottish Organisation that ‘Holdover’ is practiced - all Feds put back or bring forward race day when the weather forecast is bad. So Scottish birds now have little or no experience of more than one overnight in the basket, and IMO that experience now needs to be part of YB training … and I don’t mean when they are all chums fresh from the nest, I mean when they are 8/10 weeks old and sexually mature and demanding their own space. That penny dropped with me this year and mine have had Friday to Monday in the basket as part of their training.

[Henrik]

Bobby, theres no way there were 20 put in the Ancensis baskets, so it is down to common sense m8.

 

The secretary or transport manager should determine how many go in a basket , with previous birdages taken into account. 20 is the maximum and this should rarely be used .

The baskets that the birds went to Ancencis in would not be the baskets the were initially put into they would be transferred into MNFC crates where their birdage rules would apply, but at the moment we have to put 20 to a basket, if you remember at the AGM their was a discussion about why 2 transporters went to Clermont when 1 would have sufficed and the extra cost involved, and that is why we are basketing Tues instead of Wed to allow the half empty baskets to be sorted and all birds onto the 1 motor.

[Delboy]

The baskets that the birds went to Ancencis in would not be the baskets the were initially put into they would be transferred into MNFC crates where their birdage rules would apply, but at the moment we have to put 20 to a basket, if you remember at the AGM their was a discussion about why 2 transporters went to Clermont when 1 would have sufficed and the extra cost involved, and that is why we are basketing Tues instead of Wed to allow the half empty baskets to be sorted and all birds onto the 1 motor.

 

Remember I was the west section convenor Bobby and I can tell you this, there weren't 20 birds in a crate/basket for the channel races.I made sure of it m8.

[flying fifer]

I doubt that space in the basket has anything to do with the solving the real problem that the thread has clearly brought out – free access to drinking water for all the birds in that basket. It doesn’t matter if there’s only 2 birds in the basket, if there is only one drinking station in it to drink from it only takes one of those two birds to claim it and the other is denied water. At last years AGM, a prototype basket was displayed which had water available on 3 sides. I think we need to go ahead and get those into production for 2014 season.

 

A study I read a few years back made it clear that birds could be held in metal crates in an oven at 30C indefinitely - provided water was always available. But there is a big difference between water being available and water being drunk. That study videod the birds in these crates and as soon as a bird made a move towards the drinker all hell let loose in it. So some sort of basket craft – how to handle being confined in a basket for a few days – needs to be instilled in the birds before they are confined for days with complete strangers.

 

SNFC is the now the only Scottish Organisation that ‘Holdover’ is practiced - all Feds put back or bring forward race day when the weather forecast is bad. So Scottish birds now have little or no experience of more than one overnight in the basket, and IMO that experience now needs to be part of YB training … and I don’t mean when they are all chums fresh from the nest, I mean when they are 8/10 weeks old and sexually mature and demanding their own space. That penny dropped with me this year and mine have had Friday to Monday in the basket as part of their training.

 

Not only do the youngsters need basket trained but old birds need "refesher training". I basket my old birds at least 3 times for 2-3 days at a time in the close season, they soon learn how to feed and drink in a basket. As we are ultra cautious we tend to get fewer holdovers, which isn't a bad thing so birds that are "basket "trained as babies need to be reminded of the routine. IMO

[Henrik]

Remember I was the west section convenor Bobby and I can tell you this, there weren't 20 birds in a crate/basket for the channel races.I made sure of it m8.

Im also wondering how the fanciers will feel if the birdage goes up by 2 or 3 quid a bird to cover for the extra costs involved

[Delboy]

Im also wondering how the fanciers will feel if the birdage goes up by 2 or 3 quid a bird to cover for the extra costs involved

 

It wouldn't bother the real fanciers, that's a fact

[Henrik]

Wouldnt bother me either Derek but when you take into consideration the fact that maybe 80% of our members are either OAP,s or unempolyed then I think it could have a significant effect on both the birdage and membership of our Club. If for instance it meant taking 2 transporters to a racepoint instead of one it could effectively mean paying £6 a bird instead of £3 as you would be doubling the cost of the race. Its all things that need looked at, same as these baskets with the drinkers down the side this would take away floorspace to make room for the drinker slot which would mean reducing the number of birds as well all of these things need to be taken into consideration,end of the day it wont be my problem next year

[walterboswell59]

It wouldn't bother the real fanciers, that's a fact

bang on dell and scaremongering is not going to make it right no wonder the snrpc is taking our members