One For The Distance Men

[walterboswell59]

i was lucky enough to get 7 birds on the the newberry national result and thought of sending some if not all of them to maidstone national along with 20 fresh birds that were at leicester with 10 days rest then trained but to be honest i was not sure what to do with the the birds that scored in newbury they were all in great nick should i rest them then train them 2 or 3 tosses and back in to maidstone but risk bop attacking them should i flag them and stay safe at home or send them to otterburn with fed 83 mile toss safety in numbers thinking or just open loft and lift them straight back in after much thought i sent them with the fed to otter burn it was all most a costly hard lesson i sent 21 yearlings and the 7 old birds i timed in the national i got all 21 yearlings before i got the first newberry pigeon with my timer being 2nd last bird and one slept out why i cant get my head round was it the change in wind direction from east to west or was it the change in distance 324 miles back to 83 miles cant figure it out what i did wrong i remember the late hugh brown of stonehouse a real good distance man telling me he just put his channel birds straight back in no training but i thought newberry was only an 8 to 9 hour fly to these birds they must need a wee spin to keep them ticking over but theres no way all my yearlings should have beat these birds so i was wrong to send them and it will not happen again lesson learned but what should i have done with them would like the opinions of guys that do the doubles with there birds as im still learning distance racing thanks

[alec guinness]

i was lucky enough to get 7 birds on the the newberry national result and thought of sending some if not all of them to maidstone national along with 20 fresh birds that were at leicester with 10 days rest then trained but to be honest i was not sure what to do with the the birds that scored in newbury they were all in great nick should i rest them then train them 2 or 3 tosses and back in to maidstone but risk bop attacking them should i flag them and stay safe at home or send them to otterburn with fed 83 mile toss safety in numbers thinking or just open loft and lift them straight back in after much thought i sent them with the fed to otter burn it was all most a costly hard lesson i sent 21 yearlings and the 7 old birds i timed in the national i got all 21 yearlings before i got the first newberry pigeon with my timer being 2nd last bird and one slept out why i cant get my head round was it the change in wind direction from east to west or was it the change in distance 324 miles back to 83 miles cant figure it out what i did wrong i remember the late hugh brown of stonehouse a real good distance man telling me he just put his channel birds straight back in no training but i thought newberry was only an 8 to 9 hour fly to these birds they must need a wee spin to keep them ticking over but theres no way all my yearlings should have beat these birds so i was wrong to send them and it will not happen again lesson learned but what should i have done with them would like the opinions of guys that do the doubles with there birds as im still learning distance racing thanks

Great race at Newbury but IMO no need for the comeback race,these birds are just about ready for the next 4 races,maidstone,alencon,Ypres and tours and plenty to chose from,I wish it was me,good luck! ;)

[walterboswell59]

Great race at Newbury but IMO no need for the comeback race,these birds are just about ready for the next 4 races,maidstone,alencon,Ypres and tours and plenty to chose from,I wish it was me,good luck! ;)

but what would you do with them alex thats what im asking m8

[peter pandy]

I have been a great believer that during the racing season you never ever bring them back and continue to go forward. Comeback races were only encouraged over the past 13 years to my knowledge and see what we have got ourselves into !!.

[walterboswell59]

I have been a great believer that during the racing season you never ever bring them back and continue to go forward. Comeback races were only encouraged over the past 13 years to my knowledge and see what we have got ourselves into !!.

but what do you do with them peter with raceses two weeks apart do you train them or not

[peter pandy]

NO, I keep them on the system they are used too and change nothing.

[walterboswell59]

NO, I keep them on the system they are used too and change nothing.

thanks peter that explains everything

[peter pandy]

If I may be so bold Walter, Eddie Newcombe who I will always believe to be the best fancier Britain ever produced was of the belief that a candidate for across the pond must have 1,000 miles on the wing racing, with a training toss from 100 miles 7 days before basketing for a national.

I don't regret parting with this information purely because if you don't have the candidate stress free and on song then nothing will make it a winner.

[MIK]

Great race at Newbury but IMO no need for the comeback race,these birds are just about ready for the next 4 races,maidstone,alencon,Ypres and tours and plenty to chose from,I wish it was me,good luck! ;)

 

 

this is your answer Walter split them between all 4 races, and hope you pick the right ones for the job .... wing and body condition, motivation will all play there part.

 

your lucky to be in a position like that.

 

atb

Mick

[walterboswell59]

this is your answer Walter split them between all 4 races, and hope you pick the right ones for the job .... wing and body condition, motivation will all play there part.

 

your lucky to be in a position like that.

 

atb

Mick

thanks mik i know what to do with the others m8 what im trying to find out with nationals 10 days apart do you let them sit and jump them back in or train them a simple they dont need any training just jump them back in or give them a toss or two is the anser im looking for m8

[peter pandy]

Thought you had went to bed !, Give them a Southwaite 7 days before marking and give me a shout before you go and will share the petrol costs.

[walterboswell59]

If I may be so bold Walter, Eddie Newcombe who I will always believe to be the best fancier Britain ever produced was of the belief that a candidate for across the pond must have 1,000 miles on the wing racing, with a training toss from 100 miles 7 days before basketing for a national.

I don't regret parting with this information purely because if you don't have the candidate stress free and on song then nothing will make it a winner.

peter maybe im not putting this question correctly all im asking is does a bird that has had a 8 or 9 hour race need any more training to go to another long race 10 days later or is flying round the loft enough for them

[walterboswell59]

Thought you had went to bed !, Give them a Southwaite 7 days before marking and give me a shout before you go and will share the petrol costs.

to late sent them to otterburn lol but wont do that again

[Guest chad3646]

peter maybe im not putting this question correctly all im asking is does a bird that has had a 8 or 9 hour race need any more training to go to another long race 10 days later or is flying round the loft enough for them

 

 

walter if you have a bird thats had 9 hours on the wing you canput them in with confidence just let them fly round your loft

[peter pandy]

Sorry Walter I am getting ahead of myself.

The answer is still no. I personally have at the moment one 2 year old hen who was at Stafford 230 miles 23 days ago taking 9.5 hrs and has hardly ventured out the loft since. She at the moment has my confidence to be a full pooler this week.

[walterboswell59]

walter if you have a bird thats had 9 hours on the wing you canput them in with confidence just let them fly round your loft

thanks chad a straight anser i take it you do this with success im not looking for opinions only facts m8

[William Reid]

walter if you have a bird thats had 9 hours on the wing you canput them in with confidence just let them fly round your loft

Chad are you saying feed them water them and leave them alone a rest would be as good as a holiday (a good fresh pigeon) :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[walterboswell59]

Sorry Walter I am getting ahead of myself.

The answer is still no. I personally have at the moment one 2 year old hen who was at Stafford 230 miles 23 days ago taking 9.5 hrs and has hardly ventured out the loft since. She at the moment has my confidence to be a full pooler this week.

thankyou

[walterboswell59]

thankyou

now i can go to bed the 20 fresh ones still need trained lol night all

[Guest chad3646]

thanks chad a straight anser i take it you do this with success im not looking for opinions only facts m8

 

 

fact

[Guest chad3646]

Chad are you saying feed them water them and leave them alone a rest would be as good as a holiday (a good fresh pigeon) :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

 

 

if you are natural yes, just let them lie about sunning themselves ,

[William Reid]

if you are natural yes, just let them lie about sunning themselves ,

Chad my old teacher who passed away a few years ago could condition a pigeon like nobody else I have ever known with some great results from over the pond but it was always location location location that beat him

[hotrod]

Hey Walter better to wait another week and have a go at alencon , 3weeks between races perfect IMHO , 4/5 tosses from between 40/60 miles on the trot and I you go stop them 3/4 days before basketing let them settle as long as their sitting right. I would be confident of getting a good un out of 7 . Cheers

[maverick]

If I may be so bold Walter, Eddie Newcombe who I will always believe to be the best fancier Britain ever produced was of the belief that a candidate for across the pond must have 1,000 miles on the wing racing, with a training toss from 100 miles 7 days before basketing for a national.

I don't regret parting with this information purely because if you don't have the candidate stress free and on song then nothing will make it a winner.

 

As Eddie told me you must have the tools to do the job

[Guest chad3646]

As Eddie told me you must have the tools to do the job

 

 

could not have put it better myself, you cant flog a dead horse