Changing Routes, East To West , Beware

[Delboy]

Ive sent my pigeons with Almond Valley on the east route for the last few years and then went with Lanarkshire Social Circle ( national ) to the longer races.I decided to go with Lanarkshire for the whole programme this year as they were going down the east route. This has been an education for me and I would like to share it with everyone. Ive been a good bit behind every week,although my birds are completely fit and healthy.( checked regularly ) My returns are very good but never in 40 years have I ever been behind like this.It is well known that the Lanarkshire convoy are crossing over from the east route onto last years west line of flight and according to the top fliers in the fed this is bamboozling my birds. My birds are looking for there old line of flight away from the drag of the massive Lanarkshire convoy. Now, if you change to the west route next year your ybs from this year ( on the east route ) will try and find the east route line of flight.Im positive the losses will be horrendous BUT this would only last 1 year if you decided to stay on the route.I think all the switching from east to west will destroy the pigeon game.Choose a route and expletive remove stick to it, for the sake of the pigeons and not selfishness.

[kingbilly 1]

Ive sent my pigeons with Almond Valley on the east route for the last few years and then went with Lanarkshire Social Circle ( national ) to the longer races.I decided to go with Lanarkshire for the whole programme this year as they were going down the east route. This has been an education for me and I would like to share it with everyone. Ive been a good bit behind every week,although my birds are completely fit and healthy.( checked regularly ) My returns are very good but never in 40 years have I ever been behind like this.It is well known that the Lanarkshire convoy are crossing over from the east route onto last years west line of flight and according to the top fliers in the fed this is bamboozling my birds. My birds are looking for there old line of flight away from the drag of the massive Lanarkshire convoy. Now, if you change to the west route next year your ybs from this year ( on the east route ) will try and find the east route line of flight.Im positive the losses will be horrendous BUT this would only last 1 year if you decided to stay on the route.I think all the switching from east to west will destroy the pigeon game.Choose a route and expletive remove stick to it, for the sake of the pigeons and not selfishness.

got to disagree her with you big man you said on a previs thread the west of lanarkshire is domanating the fed but it dosent look that way to me so thares no way the doos are going down the west rout when where flying east only on east winds will thay be at the other side of abington and as you said your owen doos are slower this year could be down to your owen breed of distance doos who will show when you get the right distance and condistions for them some of these doos mite not show untill thay x the water pond and i dont meen m and dees lol

[Delboy]

lol, no Tam yer wrong m8.Half an hour behind from a 100 mile race, my stockies would do better lol. ps. The west section of Lanarkshire topped fed in west winds.Im not going to argue about it m8, its a fact that ive proven without doubt. Check my post about Newark, 6 of my first 7 birds were not raced before this year. These pigeons don't know any better, my good yins are finding there old line and basically doing the race on there own.

[kingbilly 1]

thares 2 year old pigeond been raced down the east as babys and down the west as yealing now back down the east and scoring i c your point mabe the yearlings who have raced down the west as babys last year some have strugeld a bit but after 2 or 3 races down the east thay should have sorted themselfs out by now as the yearlings did last year i rest my case

[Delboy]

Tam, these birds your talking about were all flown in the Lanarkshire convoy, mine had to break from the Almond valley fed and had a totally different line from the Lanarkshire birds.Two totally different scenarios.I rest my case ma lud lol. This isn't a debating thread, its a factual learning one.

[kingbilly 1]

Tam, these birds your talking about were all flown in the Lanarkshire convoy, mine had to break from the Almond valley fed and had a totally different line from the Lanarkshire birds.Two totally different scenarios.I rest my case ma lud lol. This isn't a debating thread, its a factual learning one.

ok big man you will be looking forword to the first inland national whare thay will be in amongst the full of scotland and thay could find thare own rout all the best and looking forward to seing you on the result

[budgie]

The Centre Sect is dominating the Fed which route do you think they come in from.Try the Monklands Hospital 4/6 times but Derek you have a point so which route do we take after Newark?? and does it really matter with the distance in mind.

[peter2010]

Do you no mean Coatbridge is

[Delboy]

The Centre Sect is dominating the Fed which route do you think they come in from.Try the Monklands Hospital 4/6 times but Derek you have a point so which route do we take after Newark?? and does it really matter with the distance in mind.

 

I don't care what route Andy, east or west as long as the fed/organisation, sticks to it for at least 5 years imo. In the past Ive favoured east because of the overpopulated BOP in the west but its getting really bad on the east also, so theres no real difference. We must think about the pigeons and not selfish advantages, which is happening in all feds nowadays. WHATS THE BEST FOR THE PIGEONS ????? I stood up at the AGM every year when in the Midland fed and said start racing east( to avoid horrendous losses from the first races ) and then pull round into the centre route.The guys wanting an advantage in the first 2 races voted against this, regardless of losing their pigeons.Pathetic behaviour imo. The same thing happens in Lanarkshire, think of the pigeons welfare, nothing else!!!Anyway, I digress, the point the thread was about is not really about Lanarkshire, it was about my own birds that were on the east last year and how the Lanarkshire convoys line of flight is an unusual one because of the route change.

[Delboy]

ok big man you will be looking forword to the first inland national whare thay will be in amongst the full of scotland and thay could find thare own rout all the best and looking forward to seing you on the result

 

Nothing exciting for the first nat Tam but im confident ill get them home ok,whether on a different day, I don't know lol.ATB yourself.

[kingbilly 1]

I don't care what route Andy, east or west as long as the fed/organisation, sticks to it for at least 5 years imo. In the past Ive favoured east because of the overpopulated BOP in the west but its getting really bad on the east also, so theres no real difference. We must think about the pigeons and not selfish advantages, which is happening in all feds nowadays. WHATS THE BEST FOR THE PIGEONS ????? I stood up at the AGM every year when in the Midland fed and said start racing east( to avoid horrendous losses from the first races ) and then pull round into the centre route.The guys wanting an advantage in the first 2 races voted against this, regardless of losing their pigeons.Pathetic behaviour imo. The same thing happens in Lanarkshire, think of the pigeons welfare, nothing else!!!Anyway, I digress, the point the thread was about is not really about Lanarkshire, it was about my own birds that were on the east last year and how the Lanarkshire convoys line of flight is an unusual one because of the route change.

its the lanarkshire doos thats making them slow you should have keped them on the same rout for 5 years lol

[Delboy]

its the lanarkshire doos thats making them slow you should have keped them on the same rout for 5 years lol

 

pmsl.

[peter pandy]

Interesting point Del. I have raced something similar, as 2011 y/b they went with Midland to 160 mls, As 2012 yearlings they went with Midland out to 230 mls, as 2 y/o I switched and went East with F&C and have reasonable returns and good times with them with acceptable losses compared with the West route. Because of massive losses on the West route midland have cancelled the Worcester race probably to the advantage of the SNFC and given us an Appleby instead. 120 ml jump my birds could have done without.

[dal2]

Interesting point Del. I have raced something similar, as 2011 y/b they went with Midland to 160 mls, As 2012 yearlings they went with Midland out to 230 mls, as 2 y/o I switched and went East with F&C and have reasonable returns and good times with them with acceptable losses compared with the West route. Because of massive losses on the West route midland have cancelled the Worcester race probably to the advantage of the SNFC and given us an Appleby instead. 120 ml jump my birds could have done without.

Get yersel in the motor lol???

[novo10]

Interesting point Del. I have raced something similar, as 2011 y/b they went with Midland to 160 mls, As 2012 yearlings they went with Midland out to 230 mls, as 2 y/o I switched and went East with F&C and have reasonable returns and good times with them with acceptable losses compared with the West route. Because of massive losses on the West route midland have cancelled the Worcester race probably to the advantage of the SNFC and given us an Appleby instead. 120 ml jump my birds could have done without.

It's your controller to blame for the bad race out of appleton to late a lib not giving later birds a chance to work in

[Guest stb-]

Nothing exciting for the first nat Tam but im confident ill get them home ok,whether on a different day, I don't know lol.ATB yourself.

del watch then they have sold you lead ets rings mate youre being nobbled :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[peter pandy]

It's your controller to blame for the bad race out of appleton to late a lib not giving later birds a chance to work in

Sorry I have to disagree as I had 3 on the day from 15 and finished up with 14 next day. I believe my late comers were just not good enough on the day and don't blame the controller in any way.

[novo10]

Sorry I have to disagree as I had 3 on the day from 15 and finished up with 14 next day. I believe my late comers were just not good enough on the day and don't blame the controller in any way.

Our returns have been good at all races but that day was a bad call to lib at that time the mist never lifted at our bit all day and was dark at9 o'clock that night he should have brought them back a bit imo

[yeboah]

Got to agree derek the west doos are working on a straight line from a to b once they are touching 200 mls as i have 5 in the basket again this week with others about the town ayrshire lanarkshire ballochmyle surely a racing pigeon will fly line of flight shortest route home ,The blue cock of mine raced west as a youngster and yearling then east as a two and three year old won on the east 2 weeks prior to first national then changed west to national and was 4th open ,think when a doo is on form it will win from anywhere but agree chopping and changing ain't helping them ,we the solway have passed at agm to stick west for a few years ,mate of mine who is very much into falcons told me because of food source they will have as many sites on the east in a couple of years as they have in the west sad but true .

[kingbilly 1]

wot about the english boys who fly south then north with the same doos is only scotish doos that cant adapt rubish

[yeboah]

wot about the english boys who fly south then north with the same doos is only scotish doos that cant adapt rubish

No rubbish Tam ,Just my opinion that when birds are raced in massive birdages each week when a question is asked of them eg bad race the followers ain't got the answers its the bop every 2-3 mls that are f-- our doos up big groups are stand out targets a lot of very good doos going down each week .

[Delboy]

Can you lot no *expletive removed* read lol. I ve not changed my route, the Lanarkshire fed are flying on the east this year as opposed to the west last year.Their pigeons are cutting across onto the west route finding there old line of flight, mine are doing the same and trying to find their old line up the east. Please some cant tell me they can follow this expletive remove.

[Guest stb-]

Can you lot no *expletive removed* read lol. I ve not changed my route, the Lanarkshire fed are flying on the east this year as opposed to the west last year.Their pigeons are cutting across onto the west route finding there old line of flight, mine are doing the same and trying to find their old line up the east. Please some cant tell me they can follow this expletive remove.

i fully understand what your saying :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[Delboy]

i fully understand what your saying :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

AYE, YE WENT TO A GUD SCHOOL M8

[chrissyboy1]

More central race point this week ,see how they come this week Del

The drag into the west and central sections of the Lanarkshire are always going to tell in the short races.