Bird Being Sick In Race Basket

[walterboswell59]

Sorry Walter I thought were a proper pigeon man , how the fk does the parents feed their young ? You guessed it the regurgitate the feed ,exactly the same as bringing up there food when sick ,so every time an adult pigeon feeds its youngsters you are saying they are not at their best , what a lot of tripe mate , try saying this to the fed. Toppers feeding big youngsters. My last post on this crap.

no m8 feeding youngsters is not an illness bringing up feed for no reason can be is what im saying we drove for miles up a bumpy country road this morning with about 800 pigeons did not see one with travell sickness so i dont know what other people are calling travell sick

[Delboy]

so del if your ybs come down with it in the next couple of weeks then how will you deal with it

 

For the last few years the virus has become weaker in my loft, whether its weaker or a different strain, im not sure.In fact , last year I only had one with full blown symptoms.EVERY YEAR I GET A TOUCH OF IT FROM 1ST-11TH MAY and today 3 of my ybs never responded to my call for feed, thats the first sign of it. ps.All these ybs were jagged at 9 days old so werent in contact with each other for around 2-3 weeks after the vaccination... Ill give ADENOSAN on the feed for a few days and any that show bad signs of YBS get it poured over their throat ( they splutter a bit with the powder but the ybs symptoms are fine after a couple of days of this )

[walterboswell59]

Sorry Walter I thought were a proper pigeon man , how the fk does the parents feed their young ? You guessed it the regurgitate the feed ,exactly the same as bringing up there food when sick ,so every time an adult pigeon feeds its youngsters you are saying they are not at their best , what a lot of tripe mate , try saying this to the fed. Toppers feeding big youngsters. My last post on this crap.

what are you talking about m8 no one is talking about birds feeding there young are you not the same guy that pm me last week complaining of loseing birds in training maybe im gving you the anser why bop cant take them all if there healthy they should get home i have an opinion same as you and ive been studying this for five years and have found there is a conection between birds vomiting up feed and adenovirus in old birds and i would like other guys to watch and see if it happens to them at least im trying to find the anser

[Guest geordiejen]

delboy what vaccination u talking about?seems this ybs can come up at any time not just through contact with infected birds.all my feeders dont get out during the breeding season and first round of young went with no hiccups.second round i started noticing some wet and discoloured droppings on the loft floor from mostly the yearling birds.then when chciks hatched i lost 3 in the nest about 5-7 days old.this then led me to do something about it.got birds tested and had a long chat with a pigeon vet.its taken 4-5 weeks for the wet droppings to be cleared from the floor.havent lost a young bird since the treatment.

[Delboy]

delboy what vaccination u talking about?seems this ybs can come up at any time not just through contact with infected birds.all my feeders dont get out during the breeding season and first round of young went with no hiccups.second round i started noticing some wet and discoloured droppings on the loft floor from mostly the yearling birds.then when chciks hatched i lost 3 in the nest about 5-7 days old.this then led me to do something about it.got birds tested and had a long chat with a pigeon vet.its taken 4-5 weeks for the wet droppings to be cleared from the floor.havent lost a young bird since the treatment.

 

If you check back all the posts on YBS you will see we were talking about a link with the PMV vaccination and YBS.

[Guest geordiejen]

aw right ok mate i thought you might know of a jab for adenovirus.im not convinced there is a cure for ybs with the pmv jab.

[billt]

aw right ok mate i thought you might know of a jab for adenovirus.im not convinced there is a cure for ybs with the pmv jab.

 

Have you read the thread by Walter, It certainly isn't saying the PMV vaccination is a cure for YBS, quite the opposite, could be the catalyst for it under the right conditions, A very interesting read by Walter who has obviously put a lot of time into the subject

[Tony C]

aw right ok mate i thought you might know of a jab for adenovirus.im not convinced there is a cure for ybs with the pmv jab.

 

 

They're working on it http://www.belgicadeweerd.nl/news/adenocoli_infections.html

[dal2]

Throwing up in the basket? seen it many times in my own and others, usually in my own basket on the way to marking station!

 

Blue pied hen, hated being in the basket would fight and would spew small amounts, Went 9 miles to marking station carried in hand to nat station and was 4th open Falaise from that race?

I believe that some dont like motion! vibration is surely diffo from flight? JMO

[walterboswell59]

dal the moition sickness debate is not really the point im trying to make m8 its the fact that we cant tell the dlfference between a bird with as you and otheres believe car sick or adenovirus sick and neithere can the birds that are eating it so all must be viewed with suspicion as every time i have seen it happen in club race baskets the losses go up ten fold within 2 or 3 weeks and if it is adeno that made that bird sick and that same fancier has a bird in each basket then its threw the full club in weeks and thats what ive been watching for the past few years m8 hell i hope im wrong but i dont think so anothere thing ive noticed is all the guys that say there birds get car sick all have heavy losses which makes me think i am still on the right track but i will crack this

[blaz]

their is a number of reasons it was sick in basket . disease is 1 of them i think travel could be another to say pigeons don,t get travel sick i think is wrong. a few years back i got days mixed up. then got told the birds where getting put in baskets for nat now. i ran out to loft put feed for birds in hoppers with a good load of peanuts. got to marking then told you feed a lot of peanuts .hows that their in your basket. so reading the start of this thread birds must have been ill.did not stop them doing well and all home. i would not have asked for bird to be withdrawn but would have asked for all birds to be put in to another basket .

[Delboy]

Birds get travel sickness, thats a fact!!! but a pigeon being sick at the loft definately sets alarm bells ringing.

[William Reid]

Birds get travel sickness, thats a fact!!! but a pigeon being sick at the loft definately sets alarm bells ringing.

Don't know about the travel sickness part of the problem but to many top class fanciers on here saying it happens so I think we now have the answer for that part of the sickness problem .

 

I would also like to say any time I have seen birds being sick at their lofts it has been wet canker or thrush both for a pigeon fancier easy to treat JMO.

[Guest IB]

Don't know about the travel sickness part of the problem but to many top class fanciers on here saying it happens so I think we now have the answer for that part of the sickness problem .

 

I would also like to say any time I have seen birds being sick at their lofts it has been wet canker or thrush both for a pigeon fancier easy to treat JMO.

 

Who diagnosed it?

[William Reid]

Who diagnosed it?

ME mind its your birthday and your in a good mood go easy with your reply

[walterboswell59]

ME mind its your birthday and your in a good mood go easy with your reply

billy yer wasteing your time tell them no more let them get on with it

[Guest chad3646]

totally agree with you walter it is like farting against thunder

 

congragulations on your west section win

 

 

 

 

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[walterboswell59]

totally agree with you walter it is like farting against thunder

 

congragulations on your west section win

 

 

 

 

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thanks chad anothere win with birds that dont get car sickness lol

[Guest IB]

ME mind its your birthday and your in a good mood go easy with your reply

 

Well, back in the 60's canker certainly was a dreaded disease. Back then a pigeon vet published a book 'Keep your Pigeons Flying' which should have changed that, but didn't because IMO most folk myself included didn't understand what was being said. Nowadays IMO it is well understood. Canker is caused by trich which comes in over 20 strains, only a very few of which cause the disease. What the Jones Barnes research discovered in the 60's was that a pigeon carrying background levels of a non-disease causing strain of trich immunises the bird against the ones that do cause the full blown disease. Nowadays, trich is only an indicator and if levels rise above background level it points to something else at work in the pigeon. Treat the something else and the bird will take care of its own trich levels.

 

I know of only one reason for fungal disease in a pigeon and that is someone has disturbed the natural microbial balance in the gut, probably by using an antibiotic that has destroyed the bacteria that keep pathogenic fungus in check, allowing it to colonise places previously occupied by bacteria that are now dead. In this case, its the fancier wot done this that should be treated, and all this bird needs is the imbalance rectified by a probiotic.

[dal2]

dal the moition sickness debate is not really the point im trying to make m8 its the fact that we cant tell the dlfference between a bird with as you and otheres believe car sick or adenovirus sick and neithere can the birds that are eating it so all must be viewed with suspicion as every time i have seen it happen in club race baskets the losses go up ten fold within 2 or 3 weeks and if it is adeno that made that bird sick and that same fancier has a bird in each basket then its threw the full club in weeks and thats what ive been watching for the past few years m8 hell i hope im wrong but i dont think so anothere thing ive noticed is all the guys that say there birds get car sick all have heavy losses which makes me think i am still on the right track but i will crack this

When your young birds have the virus Walter the total complection of the bird, indeed sometimes the whole team, changes? A bird that you are selecting for a race, bearing in mind the whole package of things that you are looking for at basketing, will tell you what kind of nick it is in. The wee burl doon to the club room with a bird that then chucks up a wee bit feed is not the panic button in my opinion. Yes you are bang on that SICK birds should not be basketed but a little bit of faith in your fellow fancier to be able to tell the condition must be levelled first I think.

[walterboswell59]

faith in my fellow fanciers now yer at the kidding dai ive got an axe and three stab wounds in ma back m8 lol

[Delboy]

Don't know about the travel sickness part of the problem but to many top class fanciers on here saying it happens so I think we now have the answer for that part of the sickness problem .

 

I would also like to say any time I have seen birds being sick at their lofts it has been wet canker or thrush both for a pigeon fancier easy to treat JMO.

 

 

Hi Billy, its not a maybe m8, its a fact that some birds spew while getting bumped about in the car on way to the marking station.I know a guy who scored with a hen in 2 channel races last year,( well up in west sect ) and his pigeon was sick in basket on way to marking.OBS vomitting at the loft can defo be a sign of candidia or wet canker, amongst other things.ps. Ive got YBS now, feed on perches this morning.Same time every year and I tried like fk to avoid it this year. So, im now puzzled about the vaccination thing being linked ??

[Guest darren cantrill]

I had ybs last year first year back flying in 10 yrs frightened the life out of me to the exact day I have had ybs again the exact day a year on I was prepared tightened them off and the old bird race team noticed the stock birds went abit funny the odd weird looking dropping so tightened them down aswell halved the corn I noticed a competitors bird spewing up in the race basket we quickly pulled away the corn but thanks to reading on here the symptoms and signs adeno virus etc I noticed my youngsters became less responsive when called in peculiar pecking and looking at things that weren't there the old bird race team just looked under the weather we only race ten and I can ill afford losses so I treated with a mild antibiotic plenty of rest and they are looking a lot better we have had 1st 2nd and 5th first race and 1st and 3rd last week im absolutely certain its because we were prepared for the fall out the ybs affecting the yearlings our birds certainly aint better than others most send 30 good pigeons I think its because I seen the swallow checked my diary and thought we had problems last year the novice who flys from our garden noticed his birds were acting weird at first I thought they were ok but he was right the swallow was skimming the pen I recalled last year checked my diary and to the bloody day it was back the fall out caused some dark green droppings in my old bird team nearly luminous but hopefully we have managed the outbreak but its threads like this that make us all aware thanx again walter

[walterboswell59]

Hi Billy, its not a maybe m8, its a fact that some birds spew while getting bumped about in the car on way to the marking station.I know a guy who scored with a hen in 2 channel races last year,( well up in west sect ) and his pigeon was sick in basket on way to marking.OBS vomitting at the loft can defo be a sign of candidia or wet canker, amongst other things.ps. Ive got YBS now, feed on perches this morning.Same time every year and I tried like fk to avoid it this year. So, im now puzzled about the vaccination thing being linked ??

simple dell you must vaccinate every single bird in the loft on the same day dell i had the same problem for years m8 dont jag birds in the nest you in fect your oldbirds every time you do then you spread it back to your vaccinated yb its a never ending circle if you keep vaccinateing believe me m8

[walterboswell59]

I had ybs last year first year back flying in 10 yrs frightened the life out of me to the exact day I have had ybs again the exact day a year on I was prepared tightened them off and the old bird race team noticed the stock birds went abit funny the odd weird looking dropping so tightened them down aswell halved the corn I noticed a competitors bird spewing up in the race basket we quickly pulled away the corn but thanks to reading on here the symptoms and signs adeno virus etc I noticed my youngsters became less responsive when called in peculiar pecking and looking at things that weren't there the old bird race team just looked under the weather we only race ten and I can ill afford losses so I treated with a mild antibiotic plenty of rest and they are looking a lot better we have had 1st 2nd and 5th first race and 1st and 3rd last week im absolutely certain its because we were prepared for the fall out the ybs affecting the yearlings our birds certainly aint better than others most send 30 good pigeons I think its because I seen the swallow checked my diary and thought we had problems last year the novice who flys from our garden noticed his birds were acting weird at first I thought they were ok but he was right the swallow was skimming the pen I recalled last year checked my diary and to the bloody day it was back the fall out caused some dark green droppings in my old bird team nearly luminous but hopefully we have managed the outbreak but its threads like this that make us all aware thanx again walter thanks m8 its nice to hear im not allways banging my head against a brick wall on this some people are picking up on what im saying and its good to hear well done and good luck