Transport

[Delboy]

would be interesting if the members were told what the tenders were and i think it should be Frank and also the reason one is picked over the other .for costs or for comfort or whatever

 

SPOT ON

[walterboswell59]

Why would they not pick the Geraldy's if it was a better price or competitive and better transport? Mind boggling

not really if you think hard about it george we all know how tenders work m8

[frank-123]

They won't tell you but check the balance sheet.

[geordie1234]

not really if you think hard about it george we all know how tenders work m8

Walter we all know they were never gonny go with Lanarkshire even if it was the best option

[walterboswell59]

Walter we all know they were never gonny go with Lanarkshire even if it was the best option

its the old pals act or someones back is getting scratched george thats how these things work but we will see the transport costs at the agm if there not good someone will have some explaining to do to the members m8

[walterboswell59]

They won't tell you but check the balance sheet.

yes frank but we can find out what lanarkshires offer was and compare

[Delboy]

I heard the Fife feds tender was 20% less this year, thats just taking the price of the vat off

[HOMER49]

yes frank but we can find out what lanarkshires offer was and compare

 

Hi

Gareth would you consider putting your quote

to the SNFC on here

Cheers

Homer 49

[walterboswell59]

Was told even since the agm that Lanarkshire transporters wouldnt be getting used, and that its nothing to do with the price. its the committee that decided to stick with with what they have always known, wicker baskets that cant be disinfected properly, have 33% less water available to the pigeons, could go on and on, anyway I thought that common sense would have prevailed, sadly not this year.

wonder what comitee they couldnt get people to go on it at the agm

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Hi

Gareth would you consider putting your quote

to the SNFC on here

Cheers

Homer 49

 

No point, as the members will not have an exact breakdown of the other tenders to compare it too, the only thing i will say is that other organisations would have had to drop there prices by 20% from 2012, this to be on equal terms with Lanarkshires quote.

Maybe this will change at the SNFC agm for the first time, even committees that i have served under, never got a breakdown of each races expenditures, this, in my opinion has to change, to be able get the best for the members of the SNFC.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

wonder what comitee they couldnt get people to go on it at the agm

being on the committee is frustrating, especial in the last 10 years, use to be once you were part of the committee, then you where part of the fixture and fittings.

[tiger]

don't know why they don't pick the geraldy,s state of the art in transport for the birds ? find this very strange in my opion

[Delboy]

Its very hard to get access to the birds in the Geraldy crates, this is a great thing for security.Most of the national organisations in Britain use Geraldy and the Scottish are left behind AGAIN.We used to be the best , now we are the worst.

[Williedoo]

As far as I know it goes back to a AGM where the members voted for wicker baskets for Alencon instead of aluminum ones which was offered by the Almond Valley Fed.

The people that know the rules say that the SNFC must stay with this until such times it is changed at a Agm.

[Delboy]

As far as I know it goes back to a AGM where the members voted for wicker baskets for Alencon instead of aluminum ones which was offered by the Almond Valley Fed.

The people that know the rules say that the SNFC must stay with this until such times it is changed at a Agm.

Wrong Willie, the secretarys remit was to ask for tenders ( any type of transporter), nothing else.He has failed to do this and I wonder why???The vote for Alencon with Almond Valley was a one off vote for the Gold cup, nothing to do with this year.This is all nonsense and manipulation to try and get more money for their own federations. Dr Lynch ( president) came down to view the Lanarkshire transporters and agreed they should be used for the National.The SNFC havent made the best decision for the pigeons imo. No TRANSPARENCY anymore,all hidden agendas, have we not learned since the Gibbo days.

[geordie1234]

Agree Delboy all hidden agendas

[THE FIFER]

Hi

Gareth would you consider putting your quote

to the SNFC on here

Cheers

Homer 49

 

we dont mind discussions but dont think it would be right to post re quotes etc, on an open forum,

[Guest IB]

Well, I was at the Committee Meeting on Monday night. The deciding factor Conventional vs Geraldy was an AGM decision that the club would use only wicker baskets. The Committee doesn't have the power to overturn an AGM decision. So if you want something different, get it in for next years AGM. The Contract was therefore awarded to best priced Conventional transportation, and yes there was a 20% reduction on the original price.

 

The other major news is on Basingstoke - RPRA have informed us that the site is unsuitable for liberating the amount of pigeons SNFC is expecting. Newbury Race Course weren't interested in us being there at all incase of a holdover, but the Rugby Club couldn't have been more helpful, and it will cordon off its Car Park for us. So AGM's Newbury race is back on, but from a different lib site - the Rugby Club - the site used by the Welsh Organisations.

[Delboy]

Well, I was at the Committee Meeting on Monday night. The deciding factor Conventional vs Geraldy was an AGM decision that the club would use only wicker baskets. The Committee doesn't have the power to overturn an AGM decision. So if you want something different, get it in for next years AGM. The Contract was therefore awarded to best priced Conventional transportation, and yes there was a 20% reduction on the original price.

 

The other major news is on Basingstoke - RPRA have informed us that the site is unsuitable for liberating the amount of pigeons SNFC is expecting. Newbury Race Course weren't interested in us being there at all incase of a holdover, but the Rugby Club couldn't have been more helpful, and it will cordon off its Car Park for us. So AGM's Newbury race is back on, but from a different lib site - the Rugby Club - the site used by the Welsh Organisations.

 

Ian, this is complete bu....it m8, there was one proposal the other year to vote to use Almond Valleys Geraldy for the Gold cup race.It was a one off vote to try and get the best transportation for the Gold cup pigeons. This years business is totally different,you know its true and its a complete injustice,as well as discrimination against federations with Geraldy transporters.A massive can of worms has just been opened, imo.ps.I would like to see the minute book where it states the SNFC must use wicker baskets until it is changed at the AGM.

[Guest stb-]

Well, I was at the Committee Meeting on Monday night. The deciding factor Conventional vs Geraldy was an AGM decision that the club would use only wicker baskets. The Committee doesn't have the power to overturn an AGM decision. So if you want something different, get it in for next years AGM. The Contract was therefore awarded to best priced Conventional transportation, and yes there was a 20% reduction on the original price.

 

The other major news is on Basingstoke - RPRA have informed us that the site is unsuitable for liberating the amount of pigeons SNFC is expecting. Newbury Race Course weren't interested in us being there at all incase of a holdover, but the Rugby Club couldn't have been more helpful, and it will cordon off its Car Park for us. So AGM's Newbury race is back on, but from a different lib site - the Rugby Club - the site used by the Welsh Organisations.

if this was an over all agm decision why is it not in the rule book that only wicker can be used . As Delboy said it was a one of vote .

 

Also when asked to get tenders for transportation at this yrs agm, why was it not mentioned that it could only accept tenders from thoose with wicker .??It wasnt mentioned because there is no rule aout only using wicker .

 

Also if there was a rule for wicker only why would those with geraldy basketts be asked to tender at all as clearly your saying they cant be used as that would clearly be wasting these lads valuable time producing a quote when it wasnt going to be considered . Utter nonsence I B

[Delboy]

I must say, neither stb or myself are members of the Lanarkshire federation and we dont have hidden agendas, we only want the best for our pigeons.

[JADE]

I have no hidden agenda either but have yet to see proof that geraldy transporters/crates give you better racing than wicker baskets. I`m sure all the technicalities will be sorted at the next agm. If all you guys who are quick to criticise had offered to serve on the committee at the agm you could have had it sorted out this year

[SCOTLAND]

I have no hidden agenda either but have yet to see proof that geraldy transporters/crates give you better racing than wicker baskets. I`m sure all the technicalities will be sorted at the next agm. If all you guys who are quick to criticise had offered to serve on the committee at the agm you could have had it sorted out this year

 

 

Well said Jade,the other thing is Gareth Rankin said that their was a quote £2000 better than

the Lanarkshire one and(good luck to it) now he is saying he was told Lanarkshire would be

getting the job after the AGM .THE MAIN THING WHEN BIRDS GO TO ANY RACE IS THE NUMBER OF

BIRDS TO A BASKET,GET THAT RIGHT AND THE REST IS EASY.

[Delboy]

I have no hidden agenda either but have yet to see proof that geraldy transporters/crates give you better racing than wicker baskets. I`m sure all the technicalities will be sorted at the next agm. If all you guys who are quick to criticise had offered to serve on the committee at the agm you could have had it sorted out this year

 

Ive been on the committee 3 times, what about you??

[JohnQuinn]

I have no hidden agenda either but have yet to see proof that geraldy transporters/crates give you better racing than wicker baskets. I`m sure all the technicalities will be sorted at the next agm. If all you guys who are quick to criticise had offered to serve on the committee at the agm you could have had it sorted out this year

 

I beg to differ Jade, as you know i was on the committee for the past 3/4 seasons and imo, my input was to debates were dismissed out of hand because John run the SNFC as HE seen fit, it now appears that Phil will do likewise.

BOTH men are at the top of my Respect list for the job they took on and i absolutely believe ALL decisions they took were with the Very best intentions.

However if that is how the SNFC wish to be run then why have a committee in the first place.

Not once had they any difficulty contacting me when i was needed to do some work, eg verifications/attend meetings etc, but when it came to moving the birds to Cheltenham last year all of a sudden they didn't manage to get hold of me for my opinion on the matter. That was a slap in the face to me and the others who's input wasn't requested or Required.