peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Having given all types of grit in the past and dissected droppings I have never came across any grit in them. However I have watched pigeons throw up and it is mostly grit that is secreted. Why are we giving our pigeons this product ??.
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 its a good question , i have noticed how often it becomes easily contaminated .despite many attempts to feed it on a regular basis in containers where its not sat in or otherwise ,it does seem to become poor within hours of being placed within the loft .i read when i first started how important it is , so have always provided it , have never taken the step not to ??
billt Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Having given all types of grit in the past and dissected droppings I have never came across any grit in them. However I have watched pigeons throw up and it is mostly grit that is secreted. Why are we giving our pigeons this product ??. I think that is the thing Peter, it's ingested as a grinding agent and not passed through the system but thrown out when it has done its job and looks like sand
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 I think that is the thing Peter, it's ingested as a grinding agent and not passed through the system but thrown out when it has done its job and looks like sandwell said Bill , good point , would you say ,still very necesary tho ?
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Producers of grit always make sure their has salt in the product which not only applies to grit however we will stay with grit for the time being. Because their is salt in grit it attracts dampness in fact even on the driest warmest summer night their is moisture in the air . Salt and air are attracted to each other biologically and air which is impregnated with moisture of varying degrees settles on the salt making the grit damp. In all our lofts we have minute feathers in abundance along with dust AKA Pigeon Lung which also settles on the damp grit and we then allow the birds to scoff it ad lib. Yes well keep shoveling it down their throats. P.S. Blame Andy.
just ask me Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 its a must have in my loft as pigeons gizzard uses grit to help the digestion of seeds also what other minerals etc is in them cant be bad for the birds also the birds love eating the stuff and it keeps them happy to be picking in it or fighting over the pot i change it every day
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Many years ago when we were all ignorant we only fed grit to stop soft egg shells and that was its sole purpose.
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Producers of grit always make sure their has salt in the product which not only applies to grit however we will stay with grit for the time being. Because their is salt in grit it attracts dampness in fact even on the driest warmest summer night their is moisture in the air . Salt and air are attracted to each other biologically and air which is impregnated with moisture of varying degrees settles on the salt making the grit damp. In all our lofts we have minute feathers in abundance along with dust AKA Pigeon Lung which also settles on the damp grit and we then allow the birds to scoff it ad lib. Yes well keep shoveling it down their throats. P.S. Blame Andy.
billt Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Ha Ha, now I'll tell you the truth, That's the theory with grit, I've kept a blind youngster this year, I've only told one person and I'm not mentioning Andys name It has water in front all the time every thing else I feed and it will not touch grit, minerals fine, as you say, I'm sure it's the salt factor, but it has been a revelation to watch this youngster grow every feather and although I've had them for 60yrs. I think I've learned a lot this last year about them and myself
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Thought you were awa tae yer scratcher an see whit yiv goat me intae.
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Ha Ha, now I'll tell you the truth, That's the theory with grit, I've kept a blind youngster this year, I've only told one person and I'm not mentioning Andys namehttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif It has water in front all the time every thing else I feed and it will not touch grit, minerals fine, as you say, I'm sure it's the salt factor, but it has been a revelation to watch this youngster grow every feather and although I've had them for 60yrs. I think I've learned a lot this last year about them and myselfthats the good thing Bill , addmittance that , however long youve kept them , be prepared to learn eh ??
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Ha Ha, now I'll tell you the truth, That's the theory with grit, I've kept a blind youngster this year, I've only told one person and I'm not mentioning Andys name It has water in front all the time every thing else I feed and it will not touch grit, minerals fine, as you say, I'm sure it's the salt factor, but it has been a revelation to watch this youngster grow every feather and although I've had them for 60yrs. I think I've learned a lot this last year about them and myself Please Please explain point being because I dont give minerals ad-lib either and aint Andy a troublemaker but being a Welshman !!!.
Delboy Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 When a bird ingests grit, it makes its way to the gizzard where it helps grind food into particles that are easy to absorb, and aids in digestion. It is also a great source of calcium.
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Thought you were awa tae yer scratcher an see whit yiv goat me intae. will join in the entertainment while i can .
billt Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 thats the good thing Bill , addmittance that , however long youve kept them , be prepared to learn eh ?? Dead right there Andy, It's all out there for us to observe, If we are bright enough
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 When a bird ingests grit, it makes its way to the gizzard where it helps grind food into particles that are easy to absorb, and aids in digestion. It is also a great source of calcium. No sorry Derek I cannot accept that reply. Please try harder..
billt Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Please Please explain point being because I dont give minerals ad-lib either and aint Andy a troublemaker but being a Welshman !!!. No I don't give minerals ad-lib either, Andy might be Welsh but hes a hell of a good one
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 No I don't give minerals ad-lib either, Andy might be Welsh but hes a hell of a good one Weel ah stied in Abergavenny well mabye !! no quite!! ah couple oh miles oot an never heard oh andy pandy apairt fae oan the telly.
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Please Please explain point being because I dont give minerals ad-lib either and aint Andy a troublemaker but being a Welshman !!!.will leave the explanation to the original poster , i have many hats i ware , a Welshman with Norwegian and French ancestory a surname thats often seen as Irish but with Scottish history too but very definetly "ME" how ever you wish to take my ramblings
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Weel ah stied in Abergavenny well mabye !! no quite!! ah couple oh miles oot an never heard oh andy pandy apairt fae oan the telly.this is like talking to a Yank or Australian , assuming when from Wales ............ you know everybody in the whole country oh Looby Lou
Delboy Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 No sorry Derek I cannot accept that reply. Please try harder.. Doves & Pigeons are one of the few types of pet birds who require grit. "Grit is used by birds to aid in the digestion of whole, intact seeds. Birds' digestive enzymes work well in digesting the inner portion of seeds, but have difficulty with their fibrous coating. The fibrous hulls of whole seeds, such as sunflower seeds, act like a barrier, preventing digestive enzymes from reaching the nutritious seed within. Grit, in the ventriculus, aids in grinding and wearing away the outer shells of the seeds, enabling the digestive enzymes to reach the valuable inner portion. If there is any other purpose for the use of grit by birds, it is not yet known. The term grit is applied to two different groups of substances - insoluble grit and soluble grit. Insoluble grit, the type being discussed here, is composed of minute stones such as silicates and sandstones and is used in digesting unhulled seeds. Birds, such as pigeons and doves, which swallow the entire seed, require such grit. Insoluble grit cannot be digested and will remain in the body until expelled. Soluble grit is organic and includes crushed shells (such as oyster shells) Soluble grit is mostly limestone (calcium carbonate). Since it is easily digested by acids found in the proventriculus, there is little danger of it accumulating in the digestive system. However, while soluble grit is a source of calcium, it does little in aiding the digestion of whole seeds. Am I getting better Teacher , lol.
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Have noticed immediately the ODIN in you with the mallet as regards the rest you are a TRACE of the original and should have been in your bed an Hour ago However its nice to be nice when there are no ars" hol"s on
billt Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Weel ah stied in Abergavenny well mabye !! no quite!! ah couple oh miles oot an never heard oh andy pandy apairt fae oan the telly. I'm quite close to Y-fenni and we have plenty of andy pandy's here
andy Burgess Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Have noticed immediately the ODIN in you with the mallet as regards the rest you are a TRACE of the original and should have been in your bed an Hour ago However its nice to be nice when there are no ars" hol"s oncant see wether thats a compliment or an insult ? maybe just not bright enough to read between the line ?
peter pandy Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Doves & Pigeons are one of the few types of pet birds who require grit. "Grit is used by birds to aid in the digestion of whole, intact seeds. Birds' digestive enzymes work well in digesting the inner portion of seeds, but have difficulty with their fibrous coating. The fibrous hulls of whole seeds, such as sunflower seeds, act like a barrier, preventing digestive enzymes from reaching the nutritious seed within. Grit, in the ventriculus, aids in grinding and wearing away the outer shells of the seeds, enabling the digestive enzymes to reach the valuable inner portion. If there is any other purpose for the use of grit by birds, it is not yet known. The term grit is applied to two different groups of substances - insoluble grit and soluble grit. Insoluble grit, the type being discussed here, is composed of minute stones such as silicates and sandstones and is used in digesting unhulled seeds. Birds, such as pigeons and doves, which swallow the entire seed, require such grit. Insoluble grit cannot be digested and will remain in the body until expelled. Soluble grit is organic and includes crushed shells (such as oyster shells) Soluble grit is mostly limestone (calcium carbonate). Since it is easily digested by acids found in the proventriculus, there is little danger of it accumulating in the digestive system. However, while soluble grit is a source of calcium, it does little in aiding the digestion of whole seeds. Am I getting better Teacher , lol. Derek,You have just insulted my intelligence.
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