Why Do I Bother Reporting Birds?

[Guest lambrechts31]

'why Do we bother reporting strays' well simple you are a fancier who has pigeons on the realisation that someone's property has entered your loft , firstly as a animal lover you have a duty of care to this birds welfare treat it as one of your own and give it the same care and attention as you would your own , this aint a rule you'l find in a book but a unwritten rule of that of a animal lover and a ambassador for our sport. Now the second job is to report it , if not stamped report it to the union , then ring the fancier up . My rule is this I do not kill birds that are healthy , I try to get the bird near home as possible , I go at least once a month up north and take Nehu and SHU and Scottish strays up north , any southern birds I give to driver to liberate . I suggest that all the wingers that can't do the above have other serious issues .

I believe that all birds should be stamped with at least the Town and county of where the fancier lives , so then the birds return is speeded up . I think all Clubs / feds should provide 2 baskets 1 each for cocks and hens in order to return strays , we al know the courier service it's not as easy to find a courier as it has in the past . All strays shouldn't be allowed to mix with your own birds to reduce cross infection , a simple empty section or a rabbit style box or even a old basket will do . True sportsmen help each other not rip each other apart , yes there are some that are rude and beyond contempt , but on the other hand the good ones far out number the few that give us all a bad name , remember your an ambassador for our sport , cost nothing to be polite and courteous , do you bit and help rather than been a part of the problem in this sport , Regards Mark

TOTALLY AGREE, NICELY PUT ACROSS MARK.

[franny41]

IMO, NO YOUNG BIRD should ever be reported, as stated in an earlier post there are stray centres all over the country and the bird should be sent there to be repatriated with the owner.

Being the stray officer for Lanarkshire i come across birds who have almost flown themselves into the grave, and others that could win a show class never mind fly home. Young birds imo, get confused easily when flying in a batch that gets hit by Percy and they will seek refuge where ever they can when they realise they are lost, as pigeon fanciers, we should as a body of men, tend to these birds until the opportunity arises to put them into your club stray basket on a Friday night. The owner would probably have it back for the Sunday, then it is his decision as to the birds fate. JMO John.

 

Don't agree with you about not reporting young birds i'm just back from Ardrossan collecting a blue barr hen bred for me by Jimmy Ramsay and yes the hen was transfered to me but because it had an ( A ) on its ring it was put in the Ayrshire stray basket ending up in the Ardeer H.S. club for Jimmy to collect after paying £4.50 he took the bird home checked the number against his books and noted it was gifted to me i told him the bird had not returned from Lanarkshire's Longtown 2. liberated on 04/08/12 and by the way some F@ckin ratbag has taken her E.T.S. ring off. So how do we get round that one John birds being sent to the wrong place maybe something to be discussed by the fed committee

[Guest Owen]

Delboy, sorry if my attitude offends you and I totally agree that we should do all we can to co-operate and assist other Fanciers. Where I draw the line is when people try to take advantage of someone's good nature and abuse them by thinking that other Fanciers are soft touches. Those who know me will know that I am far from a soft touch and will also know that I will always try to be helpful. On the other hand I will not allow people to get away with dragging the good name of this sport through the mud. We will have to work hard to get rid of the label, "Flying rats" that we are dogged with and we will not do that by going soft on those who behave badly towards the Public and other Fanciers especially new starters. I am all for trying to save the cost of collecting strays but at the end of the day these birds belong to someone and they have the responsibility to get them back to their own lofts. In any case we can not have it two ways. Lots of people want their birds back and complain that no-one reports strays any more while there is an undercurrent of nastiness carried out by a minority of Fanciers who will not act responsibly.

[Delboy]

Delboy, sorry if my attitude offends you and I totally agree that we should do all we can to co-operate and assist other Fanciers. Where I draw the line is when people try to take advantage of someone's good nature and abuse them by thinking that other Fanciers are soft touches. Those who know me will know that I am far from a soft touch and will also know that I will always try to be helpful. On the other hand I will not allow people to get away with dragging the good name of this sport through the mud. We will have to work hard to get rid of the label, "Flying rats" that we are dogged with and we will not do that by going soft on those who behave badly towards the Public and other Fanciers especially new starters. I am all for trying to save the cost of collecting strays but at the end of the day these birds belong to someone and they have the responsibility to get them back to their own lofts. In any case we can not have it two ways. Lots of people want their birds back and complain that no-one reports strays any more while there is an undercurrent of nastiness carried out by a minority of Fanciers who will not act responsibly.

 

I agree with you in part Owen, but there are cranks in every sport and I think its up to ourselves to suss out who is at the madam and who isnt and act accordingly.

[Walter swanston]

I have had about 15 stray old birds this season here in Moffat.In each and every case I have tried to contact the fancier (mostly Lanarkshire and Midland,one from the Netherlands).With the exception of two fanciers everyone contacted has said wait a couple of days and chuck them up.I fully understand the cost of retrieving pigeons and I have no judgement to make on anyone.So what I do is put them in a basket and drive up the motorway to Abington and toss them there, not ideal I suppose but it at least gives them a start to get home.

[knoxjn]

i have had a ybd for the best part of three weeks it belongs to a fancier no more than 15 miles away he turned up one day while i was at work just thought i would drop in as i was in the area no phone call just a joke it goes in the stray basket on friday sorry if it was mine i would have been there that night i lost half my team off the loft in june and they have vanished i would have loved the chance to get them back this guy is just not interested

[Guest Owen]

Delboy I think that we are on the same page really but I agree that I can be very determined. I supose I feel annoyed because there are a lot of people out there who would love to know what has happened to their birds and would be over the moon to have the chance to get them back. These Rouge Fanciers spoil it for everyone by their actions. I feel sympathy for the birds because some of the ones I see are just awful. Just recently I told two differant Fanciers that I wished they flew in my Club because they could not hope to win races with the sort of birds they had. i think the shock for me was that neither bloke seemed to have any idea what I was talking about.

[Delboy]

Delboy I think that we are on the same page really but I agree that I can be very determined. I supose I feel annoyed because there are a lot of people out there who would love to know what has happened to their birds and would be over the moon to have the chance to get them back. These Rouge Fanciers spoil it for everyone by their actions. I feel sympathy for the birds because some of the ones I see are just awful. Just recently I told two differant Fanciers that I wished they flew in my Club because they could not hope to win races with the sort of birds they had. i think the shock for me was that neither bloke seemed to have any idea what I was talking about.

 

LOL.

[andyyy]

IMO, NO YOUNG BIRD should ever be reported, as stated in an earlier post there are stray centres all over the country and the bird should be sent there to be repatriated with the owner.

Being the stray officer for Lanarkshire i come across birds who have almost flown themselves into the grave, and others that could win a show class never mind fly home. Young birds imo, get confused easily when flying in a batch that gets hit by Percy and they will seek refuge where ever they can when they realise they are lost, as pigeon fanciers, we should as a body of men, tend to these birds until the opportunity arises to put them into your club stray basket on a Friday night. The owner would probably have it back for the Sunday, then it is his decision as to the birds fate. JMO John.

 

 

If you lose a bird and it takes over a week to come back thats no good, The owner should always be contacted to be let known the where abouts if his bird and the condition, any decent person would care

[Guest Owen]

Coincidence or not? What do you think? Last night a knock on the door and there was a woman a little boy standing there holding a very knackered pigeon. It had got into the house and they had found it under the dinning room table. I thanked them and promised to tell them where the bird was from and I told them that the Owner would be glad to get it back. It turned out that the bird was from near Manchester and was owned by an elderly man. At first the conversation between us was very civilised and friendly until he told me that he could not afford to send for the bird and he asked me to put it down.

I then told him that I was not interested in his financial situation and that he would have to send for the bird. You can imagine the rest of the conversation so I will not labour it any further. My position is that he will send for the bird or face the RPRA because I truly believe that The Sport can not aford this sort of thing. At the end of the day we all have to look very carefully at the condition of the pigeons entered for the races and I reckon that it is urgent that we examine the way we convoy the birds. In some cases the losses are unacceptable and the whole business of race control and clashing must be subjected to close examination. I think that the success or failure of the race control must be seen in the light of how many birds reach home in race time and work back from there. After that surely we must insist that Owners take full responsiblity for their property and not put unfair pressure on others to deal with their problems.

[Guest strapper]

i know jas and owen and i know they are responsible fanciers...

 

just yesterday i drove over 25mls to collect a bird of mine...thats been missing for over a month!

 

the fancier had it in recently and was decent enough to report it.

i have reported in the last few days 8 strays...one from doncaster told me 3 days ago that he would get straight back to me that day...after i reported his bird which was found by a non fancier which i collected as i do with many in my area.

he has not got back to me thus rendering me in a catch 22 situation....do i ring him back at my expense or let the bird go as if he cant be bothered why should i !!

or report the bird to the rpra and render him responsible to have the pigeon collected?

 

another hasnt got back to me for over 3-4 days after leaving messages for him...a welsh bird less than 20mins away.

 

another expects me to get his bird near to maidstone...maybe i should deliver it! at my expense

 

and one says do you want to keep the bird as im packing in at the end of the season.

 

now..if decent fanciers reporting strays regularly get this...its a good reason to ask ...why should i bother!

 

so its a good point jas is making as the title of this post.

 

although we will keep making these phone calls to report them...it does leave a sour taste in your mouth.

[frank-123]

Coincidence or not? What do you think? Last night a knock on the door and there was a woman a little boy standing there holding a very knackered pigeon. It had got into the house and they had found it under the dinning room table. I thanked them and promised to tell them where the bird was from and I told them that the Owner would be glad to get it back. It turned out that the bird was from near Manchester and was owned by an elderly man. At first the conversation between us was very civilised and friendly until he told me that he could not afford to send for the bird and he asked me to put it down.

I then told him that I was not interested in his financial situation and that he would have to send for the bird. You can imagine the rest of the conversation so I will not labour it any further. My position is that he will send for the bird or face the RPRA because I truly believe that The Sport can not aford this sort of thing. At the end of the day we all have to look very carefully at the condition of the pigeons entered for the races and I reckon that it is urgent that we examine the way we convoy the birds. In some cases the losses are unacceptable and the whole business of race control and clashing must be subjected to close examination. I think that the success or failure of the race control must be seen in the light of how many birds reach home in race time and work back from there. After that surely we must insist that Owners take full responsiblity for their property and not put unfair pressure on others to deal with their problems.

Must make you feel good an old age pensioner cant believe you would do that

[clockman]

I would never expect an elderly man or anyone at that to pay £40-£45 if they could not afford to get a doo back,JMO

[Guest strapper]

Must make you feel good an old age pensioner cant believe you would do that

 

i know a lot of pensioners that spend hundreds on nationals(pooling) sending their birds so you cant tar every pensioner with the same brush as poor...how do they afford pigeons if they cant afford it?

 

how many top fanciers are pensioners these days..there are hundreds.

 

so if we go by the theory that we shouldnt make pensioners send for their birds ...what do you suggest we do with their strays?

[hotrod]

Must make you feel good an old age pensioner cant believe you would do that

Just because they say there an oap doesn't mean Shiite ,I know a few that plead poverty and would just love a page out of their bank book. Most with money do this saying their skint ,me am fkn loaded.I get really fed up way these so called fanciers saying just toss it out , expletive remove go and get it back and do what needs to be done or send for it end of ,and do agree with getting them to stray centres or help get them nearer home as I ALWAYS DO .

[Roland]

Well Homesidelofts I agree. It is very of putting to say the least. Worse is that it is fast becoming the norm, and causing a never ending circle as more get peeved of and start to wonder why yjeu bother to report... then they don't and so the circle goes and gets worse to the detrimentalment to our sport.

[Guest lambrechts31]

Feel sorry for you guys that are having problems with owners not being bothered collecting there birds, iv had a few in over my time and every 1 has been collected sharply bar 1 which was in hamliton, and thats only 20 mins away, just a point dont most strays that come in just want a feed n drink, then when let out themselve,s fly off ??? ps me personally would always like my birds reported, and would be collected whereever they turn up jmo..........

[Delboy]

I would like to thank Jack Thornhill from Lockerbie who got one of my ybs handed into him and nursed it back to health.The bird was picked off street flown out.Jack contacted me immediately and I was arranging to get it picked up when he said , give it a few days to recuperate before having it travel again.Hes just off the phone to say it is almost back to normal and we can get it up the road now.I found out later that Jack is suffering from the big C and doesnt race pigeons now but still helps anyone he can.A true gentleman in our sport , thanks Jack.

[frank-123]

Well when I get a stray in my conversation always starts with there is no pressure to collect it if you want it I will help you get it home if you don't want it I can help you there too.

As for guessing how much money a pensioners has in his bank account just think he may not have much money and you guys want to force him to pay 40 quid and probably pack them in something he has enjoyed all his life

[Roland]

Had a club mate who's bird dropped in well flown out, wholived 5 Miles away... 'I lost it a week a go from- 3 miles way - what would you do?

I said give it another chance. He said 'Well Do what you think'? Feed it up and release it near me if your this way'!

[Guest Bonzo]

Well when I get a stray in my conversation always starts with there is no pressure to collect it if you want it I will help you get it home if you don't want it I can help you there too.

As for guessing how much money a pensioners has in his bank account just think he may not have much money and you guys want to force him to pay 40 quid and probably pack them in something he has enjoyed all his life

I do the same thing had an 85 year olds man's pigeon in yesterday when I was talking to him he was more worried that I was going to make him send for the bird he's had them for most of his life he's cut down on the birds if he's got to send for birds he'd have to give up what the sport he love

[JADE]

I try to avoid reporting pigeons if at all possible and always try to have them tossed in the direction of their loft. At the moment I have 2 strays in pens in my garden shed. One will be tossed by me about half way home tomorrow and the other will be put on our transporter on Friday and released about 15 miles from its loft. No point in me reporting the bird when it is from 200 miles away and I can give it a good chance of getting home. It was ok when we had SPDS covering Scotland at £10 a time but to pay £35 - £40 to get a bird back which more than likely will go down at its next race seems a bit much to ask. As for reporting an OAP for being unable to afford to send for his pigeon...no comment

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I try to avoid reporting pigeons if at all possible and always try to have them tossed in the direction of their loft. At the moment I have 2 strays in pens in my garden shed. One will be tossed by me about half way home tomorrow and the other will be put on our transporter on Friday and released about 15 miles from its loft. No point in me reporting the bird when it is from 200 miles away and I can give it a good chance of getting home. It was ok when we had SPDS covering Scotland at £10 a time but to pay £35 - £40 to get a bird back which more than likely will go down at its next race seems a bit much to ask. As for reporting an OAP for being unable to afford to send for his pigeon...no comment

 

some folk give you a lot of bull pretending to be pensioners,that happened to us when we phoned a man about his bird ,he was allegedly an oap but when he eventually came to pick it up he was younger than me!!! we also have an oap in our club who says the same that he is an oap and cant afford to send for them but he is a millionaire!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mixxy]

Im really angry, i have had 8 youngster come to our lofts over the last week or so. i have had to ring gail for 2 details of welsh birds with no wingstamps or address rings. one fancier was 8 miles from me and wouldn't pick the bird up. and told me just to throw it out. the other fancier said he would come a collected his and never showed up and in the end after trying to contact him again without any joy i had no choice but to throw that one out. We had 4 come into my lofts today all wing stamped so we phoned them up and reported them. one was another welsh bird the other 3 were gb birds, again the welsh fancier said just throw it out its had plenty of training and has been raced. the other 3 gb birds the fanciers wanted me to dispose of them as they didn't want them back.

What has this sport come to, we are not here to dispose of anyones birds, its the responsibility of the fanciers to collect them not for me to kill them or feed them up and throw them out. one of the gb fanciers even said i was the 4th person to report this bird to him so could i kill it, to which i refused.

I have lost some birds this year myself and I'm hoping they WILL be reported so i can go and collect them as they were lost through no fault of there own.

Ive got to the point now where I just can't be bother to have the same conversation with these people regards there lost birds.

 

Jas

the reason you do is becouse you are a pigeon fancier a real pigeon man not a pigeon keeper like a lot of so called lads.keep up the good work and dont let them grind you down.if you let them win you then lose respect and you end up the same as them becouse they dont have respect not for others not for their birds and mostly not for themselves

[THE FIFER]

the reason you do is becouse you are a pigeon fancier a real pigeon man not a pigeon keeper like a lot of so called lads.keep up the good work and dont let them grind you down.if you let them win you then lose respect and you end up the same as them becouse they dont have respect not for others not for their birds and mostly not for themselves

 

the birds you through out,did they go away, or are they still there,