Sprint Feed

[Wiley]

Gentleman I have been playing or experimenting with feed god knows since when, I've recently conducted a mixture I am tempted to race on this season for sprinting only. It is very rich in carbohydrates and fats, however low in protein and very easily digestible. I am interested in your opinions on how it looks and would you feed it for the sprints? I am a big believer in protein should be used on return from racing, maples 100% will be offered to the birds on return and 3 feeds afterwards for repairing the muscles and recovery and then onto the mixture below, opinions would be accepted good or bad, however I feel it offers a wide range and choice of grains

[THE FIFER]

a good thread m8, keep us up to date,

[demolition man]

Gentleman I have been playing or experimenting with feed god knows since when, I've recently conducted a mixture I am tempted to race on this season for sprinting only. It is very rich in carbohydrates and fats, however low in protein and very easily digestible. I am interested in your opinions on how it looks and would you feed it for the sprints? I am a big believer in protein should be used on return from racing, maples 100% will be offered to the birds on return and 3 feeds afterwards for repairing the muscles and recovery and then onto the mixture below, opinions would be accepted good or bad, however I feel it offers a wide range and choice of grains

 

whats the breakdown of your mix?

[Wiley]

All I'm prepared to say at the moment is it's a combination of two different mixture from two different feed manufactures mixed with popcorn maize, all at equal parts.

 

I think it would also suit young bird and hens racing Feed all the time, but I can only put it to the test.

 

The problem I will find with it I feel is how easily digestible it is, because of it's digestion rate, will make it hard to gauge on how much each bird should receive.

[Guest darren cantrill]

will you be keeping some of your pigeons on your original mix to see if it is better? when feeding maples on return do you source your maples by crop new or old and country of origin? do you measure or hopper feed and do you keep the amount consistent all week after feeding maples or do you build up the volume on offer its a brilliant thread and i hope the mix works for you

[andy Burgess]

all good questions so far ,will be interested to see the answers. my first observation was its similarity to many widowhood mixes anyway ? and thats not a criticism .would like to ask Wiley why do you think your mix is or will be better than many of the standard widowhood mixes ?

[Wiley]

Darren, the maples I get come from a farm, in which the odd tic beans are mixed amongst them, so which I stated 100% maples wasn't in fact true now thinking about it probably 90% maples 10% tic beans. But they are very clean and the grain is good quality otherwise it wouldn't be offered to the birds.

 

When I feed the birds this maples and tic beans mix, they get this as much as they want to they no longer eat any then this feed will be removed, however every time it is offered to them the hooper will be full. Monday evening is when things start to become tweaked, they no longer get what I call a full stomach and the food then becomes measured but all feeding is done in the hopper never in the box. They only thing the birds receive in there box is any treat seeds usually a 3 finger pinch, which is present already in there boxes, before the doors are opened, this has always coated in aniseed oil, the birds crave it, and as we race to open doors encourages the cock or hen to trap straight to her box as they know a reward is waiting for them.

 

Regarding a build up, a few years ago this was common practice not for us but for many, however we feel there is no need to build the birds up unless the birds are getting up the road abit basically anything over 230 miles. Upto this distance we feed a measure but because we feed it in the hopper we can not assure each pigeon is getting a certain measure. However the reason we do feed on the hopper is for our birds to be communal, I've done feeding cocks in a box, racing cocks boxed and we find them too aggressive in the baskets and we prefere nowadays to send the birds calm. However I thought has been going on my head to feed a section in the boxes and only introduce a hopper feed on a Friday day of basketing to maybe cause a form of motivation but my minds playing with that idea at the moment.

 

This mix will only be used on one section to compare any differences

[Tony C]

What % of maize do you reckon is in that mix?

[Wiley]

all good questions so far ,will be interested to see the answers. my first observation was its similarity to many widowhood mixes anyway ? and thats not a criticism .would like to ask Wiley why do you think your mix is or will be better than many of the standard widowhood mixes ?

 

Andy,

 

Hope I can answer your questions without giving the breakdown. Many widowhood mixes as far as I am aware contain peas of various kinds this does not have any. I feel it will be better due to it's extremely high fat content and it's high carb content. Believe me I have been searching for a mix similar to this to no avail, my mix contains the following to which I do not personally know a mix to have such a variety of grains a choice of what the birds want is always a good thing ;

 

Popcorn maize,White Dari, paddy rice, safflower, red Dari, peeled oats, peeled barley, buckwheat, mung bean, peeled oats, hemp, French White wheat, linseed, groats, black rape, brown rice, and tares

 

I would have to ask what mixture would you say it look siimilar to?

[Wiley]

What % of maize do you reckon is in that mix?

 

Tony 1/3rds is popcorn maize. I must add the two commercial mixtures mixed together where not widowhood mixtures at all. And the third bag is popcorn maize

[Tony C]

Tony 1/3rds is popcorn maize. I must add the two commercial mixtures mixed together where not widowhood mixtures at all. And the third bag is popcorn maize

 

Did either or both of the two mixes have a maize content?

[Wiley]

None at all Tony, all maize comes from the maize bag

[andy Burgess]

Andy,

 

Hope I can answer your questions without giving the breakdown. Many widowhood mixes as far as I am aware contain peas of various kinds this does not have any. I feel it will be better due to it's extremely high fat content and it's high carb content. Believe me I have been searching for a mix similar to this to no avail, my mix contains the following to which I do not personally know a mix to have such a variety of grains a choice of what the birds want is always a good thing ;

 

Popcorn maize,White Dari, paddy rice, safflower, red Dari, peeled oats, peeled barley, buckwheat, mung bean, peeled oats, hemp, French White wheat, linseed, groats, black rape, brown rice, and tares

 

I would have to ask what mixture would you say it look siimilar to?

similar to many ,thats just a generalisation , ive not seen one thats as close , and after your other posts can now see what your trying to achieve . and as a note ,after speaking to few from the North East of England many are trying this type of combination now , forward thinking ,best of luck, will be interested to see any changes in performance etc .

[clockman]

Gentleman I have been playing or experimenting with feed god knows since when, I've recently conducted a mixture I am tempted to race on this season for sprinting only. It is very rich in carbohydrates and fats, however low in protein and very easily digestible. I am interested in your opinions on how it looks and would you feed it for the sprints? I am a big believer in protein should be used on return from racing, maples 100% will be offered to the birds on return and 3 feeds afterwards for repairing the muscles and recovery and then onto the mixture below, opinions would be accepted good or bad, however I feel it offers a wide range and choice of grains

Maybe one for the Sprint Specialist peeps

[Guest darren cantrill]

Darren, the maples I get come from a farm, in which the odd tic beans are mixed amongst them, so which I stated 100% maples wasn't in fact true now thinking about it probably 90% maples 10% tic beans. But they are very clean and the grain is good quality otherwise it wouldn't be offered to the birds.

 

When I feed the birds this maples and tic beans mix, they get this as much as they want to they no longer eat any then this feed will be removed, however every time it is offered to them the hooper will be full. Monday evening is when things start to become tweaked, they no longer get what I call a full stomach and the food then becomes measured but all feeding is done in the hopper never in the box. They only thing the birds receive in there box is any treat seeds usually a 3 finger pinch, which is present already in there boxes, before the doors are opened, this has always coated in aniseed oil, the birds crave it, and as we race to open doors encourages the cock or hen to trap straight to her box as they know a reward is waiting for them.

 

Regarding a build up, a few years ago this was common practice not for us but for many, however we feel there is no need to build the birds up unless the birds are getting up the road abit basically anything over 230 miles. Upto this distance we feed a measure but because we feed it in the hopper we can not assure each pigeon is getting a certain measure. However the reason we do feed on the hopper is for our birds to be communal, I've done feeding cocks in a box, racing cocks boxed and we find them too aggressive in the baskets and we prefere nowadays to send the birds calm. However I thought has been going on my head to feed a section in the boxes and only introduce a hopper feed on a Friday day of basketing to maybe cause a form of motivation but my minds playing with that idea at the moment.

 

This mix will only be used on one section to compare any differences

an excellent response real valuable information in there for all of us its nice to see and read about people who are willing to try something new be it feeding or routine and i agree with you feeding in boxes can make some birds very aggressive sometimes good motivation though this can be a pain in the race panier to much wasted energy and it is a fine balance one i see you are toying with as regards feeding them in their boxes and then hopper feeding race day tried it myself and it is fun i knew who was king of the section so to speak also had issues with the cleaverer pigeons sneaking in before the others when solely box fed eating their neighbours grub then guarding theirs and not eating it, pigeons for ya! and for those novices reading this the amount of training made a difference to what was fed thats why i will like you hopper feed tit bits everytime they come in from training, race etc in the box treats but main feed hopper please post your ups and down with your new feed and any imformation on this will be greatley appreciated im starting back this year hopefully late breds so wont be racing till next year so your experimentation will be a great help to us restarting and new to the sport thanx

[alex young]

The mix looks very much like Natural GL conditioning seeds with maize added.Looks fine to me,there's so many good mixes on the market now we're spoilt for choice.

[Wiley]

The mix looks very much like Natural GL conditioning seeds with maize added.Looks fine to me,there's so many good mixes on the market now we're spoilt for choice.

 

Thanks Alex, I don't know any where down here that stocks Natural grains, I will have to have a look at the said mixture when I go to one of the shows this year.

 

Darren, I will keep use upto date, like I said it will in my opinion take a bit of tweaking regarding measurements as it is so easily digestible, I feel I will have to up the quantity. I will be making a full bag up, and start using this ASAP on one section, and notice any differences in exercise, pre season.

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

wiley very interested in this thread will keep a keen eye on it if you can update as and when you get the chance. Here is a link to the gl corn from natural

 

http://www.naturalgranen.eu/pdfs/SPECIAL_Conditioner.pdf

 

here is the natural site to have a look at the mixes.

 

http://www.natural-granen.com/?#MIXTURES

[yeboah]

Would agree with you about no need for protein for birds up to 300 mls,find on gerry plus they will win comfortable up to 300mls only adjustment that i would make after watching forcast if NE were forcast alter there last 2 - 3 feeds with a wee something special.jmo

[Wiley]

Would agree with you about no need for protein for birds up to 300 mls,find on gerry plus they will win comfortable up to 300mls only adjustment that i would make after watching forcast if NE were forcast alter there last 2 - 3 feeds with a wee something special.jmo

 

What a tail wind forecast :lol:

[yeboah]

What a tail wind forecast :lol:

Brill :lol:

[adam owen]

i use three mixes all from bamfords

 

cool racer this mix doesnt no fats or protein

fast fancy the protein mix

exstreame energy fats mix

 

the above mixes get given at diferant percentages every day to build up to the race think its cracking feed and programe

[Wiley]

wiley very interested in this thread will keep a keen eye on it if you can update as and when you get the chance. Here is a link to the gl corn from natural

 

http://www.naturalgranen.eu/pdfs/SPECIAL_Conditioner.pdf

 

here is the natural site to have a look at the mixes.

 

http://www.natural-granen.com/?#MIXTURES

 

Thank you currently on the iPhone so cannot get the site up as requires flash but will have a look when on the laptop

[THE FIFER]

[peter pandy]

When I looked at your first post I said to myself its a 4 hour mixture as I had tried a very similar mixture many years ago and after 4 hours flying they came back handling like darts and heavy losses. The heavy mix of peas and beans could make the difference and I wish you the best of luck.