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[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Understand its to do with who you are pooling against in yer region but you can call the regions whatever you want it'll still be the same people from the North,South,East and West that score well up the Open results consistently.Should it not be top open positions we all strive for regardless of pools won??

 

There will always be somebody in a better position than a rival.

 

Race and enjoy yer doos or move house

[Guest IB]

I'm not sure that this is the best way to achieve fairness. The complaints I'd picked up on were always about the 'strange boundary' in the middle of the Central Belt where 'East meets West' - so I don't see a case for altering the extreme east of the country.

 

The last time Phil spoke about the matter was at one of my club moots several years back, when he suggested the need for a 'Centre Region', a buffer area between West & East. I think it may have been a proposal back then too.

 

To be fair, nowhere does east 'suddenly' become west, theres always a transition bit in the middle. Look at some of the towns in the proposed 'mid west region', there may be a geography lesson for some to be had from it - Grangemouth is on a par with Lanark and also lies further west than Carnwath & Newbigging, all in the West Region, yet it is placed in the East Region. Stirling is on a par with Motherwell and also lies further west than Newmains, both in the West Region, yet it is placed in the East Region. I don't know how to resolve this, but that's the area that needs looked at, not the East Neuk of Fife.

[just ask me]

can anyone do out a map with the boundaries on it be good too see

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I'm not sure that this is the best way to achieve fairness. The complaints I'd picked up on were always about the 'strange boundary' in the middle of the Central Belt where 'East meets West' - so I don't see a case for altering the extreme east of the country.

 

The last time Phil spoke about the matter was at one of my club moots several years back, when he suggested the need for a 'Centre Region', a buffer area between West & East. I think it may have been a proposal back then too.

 

To be fair, nowhere does east 'suddenly' become west, theres always a transition bit in the middle. Look at some of the towns in the proposed 'mid west region', there may be a geography lesson for some to be had from it - Grangemouth is on a par with Lanark and also lies further west than Carnwath & Newbigging, all in the West Region, yet it is placed in the East Region. Stirling is on a par with Motherwell and also lies further west than Newmains, both in the West Region, yet it is placed in the East Region. I don't know how to resolve this, but that's the area that needs looked at, not the East Neuk of Fife.

 

Yes there have been a number of instances in the past where fanciers in the likes of Striling and Grangemouth have failed to win region tickets despite beating lofts further east than them.

 

However there must be some logic behind this present boundary.Can anyone shine some light on exactly how it came about and the actual reasons??

[bibendium]

Like most of you guys I dont know the answers , but there is a West, but its nowhere near some of the towns quoted on here, like Carnwath, Newbigging etc, Maybe if that was taken into consideration there would be more entries from the real west. Ayrshire Fed has the second largest membership of any fed in Scotland but tends to send the about the least entries to nationals , Maybe if something could be done to encourage the west coast feds more would compete, I know we are up against it as a rule with the prevailing winds etc etc, And yes some have put in outstanding performances against the odds,In fact to get a region prize is an achievement ,.

[frank-123]

I'm not sure that this is the best way to achieve fairness. The complaints I'd picked up on were always about the 'strange boundary' in the middle of the Central Belt where 'East meets West' - so I don't see a case for altering the extreme east of the country.

 

The last time Phil spoke about the matter was at one of my club moots several years back, when he suggested the need for a 'Centre Region', a buffer area between West & East. I think it may have been a proposal back then too.

 

To be fair, nowhere does east 'suddenly' become west, theres always a transition bit in the middle. Look at some of the towns in the proposed 'mid west region', there may be a geography lesson for some to be had from it - Grangemouth is on a par with Lanark and also lies further west than Carnwath & Newbigging, all in the West Region, yet it is placed in the East Region. Stirling is on a par with Motherwell and also lies further west than Newmains, both in the West Region, yet it is placed in the East Region. I don't know how to resolve this, but that's the area that needs looked at, not the East Neuk of Fife.

 

Forget the geography lesson learn where pigeon come from in races.

Most times they will come from the east side of your loft why because of the wind direction

[lightning fast]

My thinking exactly Wullie, it would be better served getting rid of a, b, c, etc and go back to North South East and West Sections, i know i'll be voting against this new proposal at the meeting. What i canny figure out for the life of me is WHY ???

 

Because John it's not fair that lads from the Stirling and Falkirk area have to compete with the east coasters , let Stirling and Falkirk compete in the west and the problem is solved. Stirling is more west than newmains if u look at a map

[bibendium]

Because John it's not fair that lads from the Stirling and Falkirk area have to compete with the east coasters , let Stirling and Falkirk compete in the west and the problem is solved. Stirling is more west than newmains if u look at a map

Where does fair come into the equation? Being on the west coast you lads have two penalty kicks against us before we start, Prevailing winds and geography.

[ALF]

As i said earlier if these new region proposals go through the only loser will be the SNFC and the only winner in my opinion will be the SNRPC

[lightning fast]

Where does fair come into the equation? Being on the west coast you lads have two penalty kicks against us before we start, Prevailing winds and geography.

 

Aye fair is the wrong word to use in pigeon racing, for me flying in Stirling the new propsals make more sence but I would like to here the reason why we shoudint think about the new proposal?????

[lightning fast]

As i said earlier if these new region proposals go through the only loser will be the SNFC and the only winner in my opinion will be the SNRPC

 

Alf why do you think that?

Iv only been flying in the national for 4 years and always think the boundaries have been whack but that's for me own situation!

[frank-123]

Because John it's not fair that lads from the Stirling and Falkirk area have to compete with the east coasters , let Stirling and Falkirk compete in the west and the problem is solved. Stirling is more west than newmains if u look at a map

 

Your having a laugh twice this season section e was won by fanciers in Falkirk just have a look at there postcode wonder why more want a shot at the pot of gold that is section e

[sammy]

Aye fair is the wrong word to use in pigeon racing, for me flying in Stirling the new propsals make more sence but I would like to here the reason why we shoudint think about the new proposal?????

they make more sense because the stirling guys are wll done the pecking order in gaining section prizes in the east section but will be high up in the west sections when they get the first drop of [pigeons which has been proved with the young bird national ,there aint nothing wrong with they way it is so why change it

[lightning fast]

Your having a laugh twice this season section e was won by fanciers in Falkirk just have a look at there postcode wonder why more want a shot at the pot of gold that is section e

 

So frank do you think it's right that iv got to compete with lads from Edinburgh ? I'm in the north west fed, not the north east

[sammy]

So frank do you think it's right that iv got to compete with lads from Edinburgh ? I'm in the north west fed, not the north east

they have done it since the birth of national racing so why change it

[frank-123]

So frank do you think it's right that iv got to compete with lads from Edinburgh ? I'm in the north west fed, not the north east

 

Aye fairer than flying against someone from Lanarkshire or Ayrshire

Remember your birds will come off the forth not up through Lanarkshire unless there is an east wind

[JADE]

They are not trying to change the sections only the regions which only apply to pools and averages. Dont think it will pass anyway but I would agree that Stirling should be in the west region. Whatever happens anyone on the "wrong" side of wherever the line is will be unhappy. Putting a tiny corner of the east neuk in a different region from the rest of Fife is plain daft. What about the North section where guys from Elgin to Inverness have little or no chance against Peterhead and Fraserborough

[DJWa]

the north section streches from stonehaven to thurso and all the offlying islands

well over 150 miles from one end to the other

and covering the whole north from west to east aswell

 

i think if you add all the other sections together you would easily fit them all into the north section

[frank-123]

the north section streches from stonehaven to thurso and all the offlying islands

well over 150 miles from one end to the other

and covering the whole north from west to east aswell

 

i think if you add all the other sections together you would easily fit them all into the north section

How many lofts west of Nairn?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Your having a laugh twice this season section e was won by fanciers in Falkirk just have a look at there postcode wonder why more want a shot at the pot of gold that is section e

 

It was also won once by a loft further East than Falkirk and a loft further East than Stirling

 

Anyway...

 

I've said it before I'll say it again.I feel our concerns in the "Mid West" should lie wi trying to catch the Broxburn Bullet as opposed to worrying about what region we're in.

[DJWa]

How many lofts west of Nairn?

 

no idea frank but i know there are members of the north fed that fly from inverness

there is a fed flying from wick,thurso and off lying islands

but these lads cant compete with aberdeen peterhead etc in the nationals with 100 to 150 miles overfly

[lightning fast]

Aye fairer than flying against someone from Lanarkshire or Ayrshire

Remember your birds will come off the forth not up through Lanarkshire unless there is an east wind

 

 

No danger m8, you need to look at a map I'm north from u and Edinburgh is south east from me, I have just been to a very well known and successful flyer in Lanarkshire today and he seems to think the new proposals are much fairer, but I can see where u are coming from...

[Guest IB]

I've split this off the SNFC Diplomas thread, as it is a different topic and swamped that thread, and there was a request on the thread that this be done. I've also merged it with Tiger's thread on the same topic. I've also removed all posts which aren't about the Regions Debate.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Its a fact that the pigeons come from the south east, sometimes east in 9 out of 10 nationals, this is down to drag, wind, race points becoming more easterly and also the uk does not lie from North to South it lies more North West to south east so therefore any new change of boundary has to be done using ref grid-lines from North West to South East.

 

Another point is that the Mid west and Mid East sections will have at least 70% of the entries which will in turn leave all the sections disproportionate.

 

I believe the rule wont pass as it will only create an extra 10% of the membership to be happy whilst creating 30% more disgruntled fanciers, that as one other fancier has said, could pave the way for them to go to another national club?

 

JMO

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I'm fairly impartial with regards to the proposed new regions and can see the views from boths sides of fence.

 

Looking at this map provided the last few days puts into persepctive what the SNFC is all about though for me.Its about admiring the top performances every race and season throws up.This is not necessarily just admiration and respect for fanciers that have topped Open and Sections but for all those fanciers and brave birds that have put in great performances covering many miles to get to their homes ALL OVER the country.

 

Obviously a lot of the time the wind direction will decide the open and section winners but this shouldn't take away from birds in other parts of the country that have clearly been up with them.Obviously we all want to beat every pigeon in the transporter but this is only possible for a minority.Enjoy your pigeons,theres room for us all.

 

As a point of interest "miracles" have been achieved in the past-The East Section Averages have been won into Cambus,a stones throw from Stirling.