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[tiger]

tiger, you have the wrong end of the story, as i have said before years ago, they where at the mercy of the train, and stage coach, now days with satellite

and Teriann discovery, we should be giving every one a chance of the national, do you honesty believe flying west someone has an advantage here

never though flying from the west would bring so many bleeding noses, what with west wind aid no hawk attacks no big batches of doos being attacked, you tell me where we will have a chance to race from with better conditions than that. bigda as is if you are not here with a solution don't be part of the problem and to add can you tell me what side of the country do the fly from barcelona is

just get better birds danny wee cullens birds will doo lets face it you will never be a doo man you like causing trouble

[Guest bigda]

just get better birds danny wee cullens birds will doo lets face it you will never be a doo man you like causing trouble

 

 

causing trouble you say, what trouble in asking to have a fair race, upsetting the apple cart you mean, i have posted only about 1 race from the west one from the east and 2 from the south.

the one from the west you can see there measurements all fair and there is nothing in the way

to prevent the birds en route. only obstacle i see is coming from the blokes on the south east of the country, scared to give up, and them being found out there birds are no any better than any others given a fair chance in the race, can you not see the benefit of such a race for all Nat men i think its something the committee should be addressing to safe guard the national, before cracks appear

[tiger]

causing trouble you say, what trouble in asking to have a fair race, upsetting the apple cart you mean, i have posted only about 1 race from the west one from the east and 2 from the south.

the one from the west you can see there measurements all fair and there is nothing in the way

to prevent the birds en route. only obstacle i see is coming from the blokes on the south east of the country, scared to give up, and them being found out there birds are no any better than any others given a fair chance in the race, can you not see the benefit of such a race for all Nat men i think its something the committee should be addressing to safe guard the national, before cracks appear

does ur own fed race from the east side ? or down the middle ?

[tiger]

causing trouble you say, what trouble in asking to have a fair race, upsetting the apple cart you mean, i have posted only about 1 race from the west one from the east and 2 from the south.

the one from the west you can see there measurements all fair and there is nothing in the way

to prevent the birds en route. only obstacle i see is coming from the blokes on the south east of the country, scared to give up, and them being found out there birds are no any better than any others given a fair chance in the race, can you not see the benefit of such a race for all Nat men i think its something the committee should be addressing to safe guard the national, before cracks appear

here danny you cant even take your own fed that way yet you want two take the snfc down that road ur not even a member off that great club i would like two meet you at blackpool ? will be there on sunday

[Guest bigda]

here danny you cant even take your own fed that way yet you want two take the snfc down that road ur not even a member off that great club i would like two meet you at blackpool ? will be there on sunday

 

surgery will only be open Saturday mate

yes our fed goes with the national to east born

but was expecting the saltworths of the national to realize the errors of there ways, and give there one eyed jacks a new line of flight. Then when they come down to Blackpool, they can talk about real results and races won, Tiger you sound like your a good listener and i believe you would have no qualms about a race from Ireland

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

fanciers choice for gold cup would be between Reims or Rennes

Here Here

[walterbmasson]

BIGDA BEING A WEST COASTER I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE PREFERED(((( BREST )))))) AND GIVE THE EAST COASTERS A WE BIT FURTHER TO FLY

[Guest bigda]

BIGDA BEING A WEST COASTER I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE PREFERED(((( BREST )))))) AND GIVE THE EAST COASTERS A WE BIT FURTHER TO FLY

 

 

Walter should i suggest "3 degrees" more of a west route, the wise men of the east,

would all become "knights" over night .

[walterbmasson]

Walter should i suggest "3 degrees" more of a west route, the wise men of the east,

would all become "knights" over night .

 

DANNY I MUST AGREE why this race point has never been used for over a hundred years but its may be true the yellow

KNIGHTS HA HA HA FLY THE FLAG FOR THE WEST DANNY

[tiger]

DANNY I MUST AGREE why this race point has never been used for over a hundred years but its may be true the yellow

KNIGHTS HA HA HA FLY THE FLAG FOR THE WEST DANNY

fly the flag for the west ? he cant even go 2 his fed agm FACT spoutin on here what he was going 2 say never went hes good on here but when needs 2 step up 2 the mark hes sadly WANTING fact ,COME ON BIGDA STEP UP ON UR SOAP BOX ,ah but he wont o happy days

[bibendium]

Not having a go at anyone in particular but there is 40 miles or so that is further west than Lanarkshire , when do we get any consideration? never. oh and much as I wouldnt mind an Irish race

the coast from stranraer into Ayrshire is alive with BOP .

[Guest bigda]

Not having a go at anyone in particular but there is 40 miles or so that is further west than Lanarkshire , when do we get any consideration? never. oh and much as I wouldnt mind an Irish race

the coast from stranraer into Ayrshire is alive with BOP .

 

 

thanks mate for your interest in flying the west route from Ireland, yes would agree about the bop being coastal, but i still think your birds would have less on a journey from the coast to your loft than

they would have come from the east to your shed, and the hawk cant control or round up the doos as the space is to wide for them, also if a hawk was to attack and fail 2 times it will give it up, to give its self time to recover taking it at least 1 hour for that to happen, again when your bird is coming it will have extra speed with the aid of the wind and as a doo can see for 30mile it has time to flank around Percy. with ease but that would be less if, your bird was coming out of the east against the wind and then Percy him self coming out of the west wind assisted on his attack

[Guest bigda]

DANNY I MUST AGREE why this race point has never been used for over a hundred years but its may be true the yellow

KNIGHTS HA HA HA FLY THE FLAG FOR THE WEST DANNY

 

 

as it is now coming up to the 100 year comemeration, walter would you not agree with me it should be fitting to have a comemerative race from there Ireland, yes there are wise men from the east, but if it was down to me ever watching i would have sent "word" to all, not just to hiram.

[dal2]

Danny,

There is nae chance o a race frae Eire mate!!! Yer talkin aboot the biggest change un ye know wot the fancy thinkk aboot change!!!

I thought yer bigest plan was tae make sure the south and the East wer disadvantaged for a change a its super easy tae win nats doon here!!!!! You have a race frae eire and i gaurantee the boys frae dumfries tae Langholm will still be yer biggest bother!!!!!!

[Guest bigda]

Danny,

There is nae chance o a race frae Eire mate!!! Yer talkin aboot the biggest change un ye know wot the fancy thinkk aboot change!!!

I thought yer bigest plan was tae make sure the south and the East wer disadvantaged for a change a its super easy tae win nats doon here!!!!! You have a race frae eire and i gaurantee the boys frae dumfries tae Langholm will still be yer biggest bother!!!!!!

yes that they could, but the thing i talk about hear are fair race mesurments for all, and no nith valley or valleys to be ambushed at. having the highest vel ever in nat racing at 356 mile -514mile from west to east instead of at present

 

vel west 950 vel then move in 30 mile in 1050, futher 30 mile in land vel 1150, east 1300 vel see the picture

[Guest chad3646]

would be wary of the early morning mist in the channel might be ok at the liberation site but sometimes needs a few degree's to burn the mist away over the sea

mind that was the convoyers report

 

 

how many 600 mls birds were in the convoy

[Guest chad3646]

Absolute crap, The Gold Cup 550 miles is all abt timing on the day. There's a longer race for the 2 dayers.

 

 

the best bit of sense i have heard on this post

[Guest chad3646]

Waterville,Leige,Ypres,Reims and Nantes which will give most a better chance of winning a National.

 

 

could you tell me why they moved the rennes race as they can still race from rennes

 

 

the reason io am asking this is people used to ask me why did they change it

 

isaid to them i dont know. icould not give them an explenation can you

[Guest chad3646]

DANNY i couldent have said it any better nail on the head --- what i have noticed looking through the posts regarding the SNFC overseas nationals is that every post on here they all want as easy a race as possible last year i posted for a national race from oslo in norway a very tough race but every fancier on a level footing some of the replys that was given to this post 290 miles of water --- ludicrous etc then GARETH RANKIN CAME AWAY WITH --- hamburg --- DOG LEG ALLY BRILLENT ------ ANOTHER CAME AWAY WITH 25FEET HAWKS --- BUT DID ANY ONE SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT ALL DISTANCES FOR THIS RACE POINT EVERY FANCIER HAS THE CHANCE OF WINNING THIS RACE AND FLYING ALMOST THE SAME DISTANCES but it was to tought a race before its even been tried ( BUT AFTER ALL ITS A NATIONAL EVENT OF DISTANCE RACING AND THE PIGEON THAT WON THIS RACE WOULD BE A TRUE CHAMPION ) DANNY ALL national events should have a certain amount of diffulicty in there way but as you can see most want as easy races as possible lofts crammed with crap when they know if theres any bad conditions in a race there never heard of again some mentioned LERWICK WELL THAT IS A STRANGE ONE FOR THE NORTH BOYS LIB AT 5AM TIMING AT 7-30AM I DONT THINK THAT ONE WILL GO ANY WHERE BUT FOR THE GOLD CUP IT MUST BE OSLO ====== 1997 RENNES 1997 SNFC NATIONAL 3,269 BIRDS ONLY 21 IN RACE TIME AND I CAN TELL YOU THERES BEEN SOME CRACKERS OF DISASTERS SINCE I STARTED IN NATIONAL RACING --- A CHANGE OF LINE OF FLIGHT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO RETURNS AS THE BOP KNOW WHERE THE FOOD CHAIN IS --- ITS US THAT ARE THE PLONKERS TO KEEP FEEDING OUR BIRDS TO THEM I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT WHAT DO YOU THINK DANNY MATE

[Guest chad3646]

Its the greatest feeling in the World and nothing comes close tae it.

 

 

i will second that

[Guest chad3646]

ITHINK ALL MEMBERS HAVE SEEN THE CONVOYERS REPORT FOR OVER SEAS RACES FROM 2010 ::::: START OFF WITH REIMS GOLD CUP RACE due to extreme heat birds watered every hr till darkness ( RACE CONTROLLER ) phoned to say the prospects for a early lib was EXCELLENT and he would phone at 5-15 am wheres the national flag of scotland no all for one here where is RULE 23 AT MISSING right enough phoned at 5-15am AND REPORTED EXCELLENT CONDITIONS LIGHT NORTH WEST WIND ------- YES NW -WIND AND TOLD TO LIBERATE AT 6--15 THIS IS AFTER BEING TOLD THE NIGHT BEFORETHAT CONDITIONS WERE PERFECT FOR EARLY LIBERATION i dont think they know that some birds have to fly 650 miles ( AFTER THIS REPORTS FOR CLERMONT AND REIMS THERE MUST BE A MID DAY LIBERATION FOR RACES OVER 600+MILES MUST BE MID DAY LIBS as this is scandelous as this RULE IS A JOKE 4-30 am to 11pm ( w hich has never been aderhed to since pigeon racing began ) AT LEAST WITH MID DAY LIBS THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HRS OF DARKNESS AND ALL BIRDS HAVE TO START RACE 2ND DAY AS PER THIS GREAT RULE 23 WHICH MUST OF BEEN MADE FOR A MID DAY LIB ------------ ( BY THE WAY ALL OVERSEAS RACES HAD THE SAME OUT COME EXCELLENT CONOITIONS FOR EARLY LIBS BUT THE OTHER TOO WAS LIBED AT 6-30AM this is blatently catering for 480 to 500 milers and ignoring the task of the poor 600+milers or no chancers the way its being handled just read the report its set oot and this is the trend at every long distance event in the SNFC

[Guest chad3646]

that is how much of a sport you are agreeing to locking the longest flying birds oot so you can time a 500mile doo na na mid day libs aboady pays there fees and all taking part has got to get treated the same but there is i some think they are better than a boady else and that is fact just look at some of this crap posts about the best positions too win wind direction a for a bunch a powder puffs some speak about the longest race gods sake ye canna send 300 doos to the race why but you will do your damdest to shut doos oot by shortining the time a bird can fly

 

walter there is birds in annan sometimes at 8pm and we do not get a bird till the next day. and that is only about 60 miles away so i do not see your point

[DJWa]

walter there is birds in annan sometimes at 8pm and we do not get a bird till the next day. and that is only about 60 miles away so i do not see your point

 

i think what is meant is if they were up an hour earlier you might of got a bird

it happened a few years back in one of the inland nationals they went up i think at about 10.30 or 11.00 shutting out north birds

[Daisymay]

would be wary of the early morning mist in the channel might be ok at the liberation site but sometimes needs a few degree's to burn the mist away over the sea

mind that was the convoyers report

 

 

Let ALL the birds go as early as possible mist or no mist on the channel the race site do's not know this that way every bird has the same chance be it 500 or 600 miles canny keep caterin' for the shortist fliers.

[cemetary]

Let ALL the birds go as early as possible mist or no mist on the channel the race site do's not know this that way every bird has the same chance be it 500 or 600 miles canny keep caterin' for the shortist fliers.

 

 

When you are training yir birds for these type owe races, do you get to the training point and see mist and let them go, a dont think so, so why should they be let go over the channel when there is mist.

 

A lot owe guys doo put a bit owe training into these birds, and to waste them like that is just ridiculous.

 

I would rather that the birds doo get catered for due to bad weather conditions.