WulDon Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 Flicking through my late BHW today, imo the auction sale that sticks out like a 'sore thumb' is that of Raymond Moleveld, absolutely cracking looking pigeons and a sale i will definetly be attending, just for a nosey of course... lol
THE FIFER Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 Flicking through my late BHW today, imo the auction sale that sticks out like a 'sore thumb' is that of Raymond Moleveld, absolutely cracking looking pigeons and a sale i will definetly be attending, just for a nosey of course... lol yes I have 6 direct Molevelds sapper has them as well, will be looking for another hen this year,
WulDon Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Posted January 15, 2011 yes I have 6 direct Molevelds sapper has them as well, will be looking for another hen this year, lovely pigeons, looks like a good bit of jan aarden running thro them?
THE FIFER Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 lovely pigeons, looks like a good bit of jan aarden running thro them? the ones I have are all jan AArdens
WulDon Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Posted January 15, 2011 the ones I have are all jan AArdens ye had a wee read there, a lot of jan aarden... have you had a chance to test them out yet?
THE FIFER Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 ye had a wee read there, a lot of jan aarden... have you had a chance to test them out yet?mostly bred from them for stock, but flew some as youngsters last year so got them for yearlings this year,
holmsidelofts Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Yeah my good friend derek flowers from wales was 1st national with a direct raymond moleveld last season. one of his 4 national wins last season, fantastic flying
sapper756 Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) ye had a wee read there, a lot of jan aarden... have you had a chance to test them out yet? Hi Wull as Fifer stated I also have them, we obtained them the first time Raymond had a stall at Blackpool, and have strengthened our stock each year since then, I had 2 hens, a 3year old and a 2 year old at Clermont last year 524 miles, got the 3year old next morning and the 2 year old later that night. Cracking looking birds, I have a pair of youngsters in the HTH auctionhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0137-clapping.gif Edited January 16, 2011 by sapper756
budgie Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 We had the Guy at a presentation some years ago and i asked him what % of guid Doos he had in his Dookit and his response was 40%.
jonl6280 Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 We had the Guy at a presentation some years ago and i asked him what % of guid Doos he had in his Dookit and his response was 40%. well who was it?
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 We had the Guy at a presentation some years ago and i asked him what % of guid Doos he had in his Dookit and his response was 40%. Well he is after all the owner of a racing/breeding stud, what do expect him to say 2.65%,
swilcox Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Raymond to his credit always puts the pigeons in great condition into the pen and these group are no differnt, balance, feathering, they are beauties!! Raymond distance pigeons have been around for 4 years now and they are starting to produce some top distance pigeons around the patch especially as they have matured. They are fairly inbred and crossed they have bred some crackers!! Im confident as the pigeons develop further and mature they will continue to do very well. In response to the 40%, well Raymond has 70 breeding pairs of Aardens in his stud and ofcourse each pigeon has to bred for the right to stay there and if you see the winners that Raymond is bred probaly a much higher percentage of these pigeons can now be class as good breeder. This is typical of Raymonds pigeons and he is in the sale.
OLDYELLOW Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 70 Breeding pair of stock how many does he race ???? one rounds 140 ybs and that's just his distance birds ?
swilcox Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Hi Oddyellow, he is a breeding stud and exports his ybs all round the world, just asked him and he actually has 55 long distance breeding pairs and 35 pairs of shorter distance pigeons!! In 2011 Raymond is racing in a new partnership with one of Europes leading vets and having a real tip at Barcelona, they will be breeding 125 ybs!!! Stu
OLDYELLOW Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 If he took 1 round then he'd have 180 birds from both distance and sprinters ( that's assuming full hatch and all ybs are good ), so how many of the 125 will be distance birds ??? , I've no problem him been a breeding stud his birds always seem to be in great condition and of good structure and look the part
swilcox Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Hi There In 2011 Raymond will race in a combination and the 125 ybs will be only long distance!!But as with most very long distance pigeons it will be 2013 before they really get in there stride.They have built a new loft at a new location so its a brand new start. In 2010 Raymond flew a team of sprint pigeons from his fathers house for the first time, Raymond had invetsed in a Team of Frans Zwols and he wanted to gauge the ybs and they flow very very well for him. I really dont know if he will continue to fly short distance as his heart lies at the long distance events but his wife Jacky was talking of taking over the short distance loft. To add Raymond has the job of breeding pigeons that needs to reproduce, most of the birds he sells go into breeding lofts!! For this purpose Raymond will often sell inbred ybs, these may not always be absolute top racing pigeons but when crossed really produce top winners, he will often pair his 1st round up crossing his Lightenberg/De Tovenaar line with Wegen, Theelen, Hagen etc and then his other rounds he matches them as much as possible to inbred to his base lines!! This has worked really well for him and and ofcourse people who have purchased his birds in Holland and the UK. You will see in his sales list that these pigeons have been inbred, with acception of the few that are blended with the Red Barcelona line, Raymond wrongly or rightly believes that a pigeon that is inbred, ie has common breedeing on the dam and sire side will have higher breeding potential. Ofcourse this is up for debate but he has down a good good so fair of producing winning pigeons and i suppose he has to follow his beleifs. Derek flowers pigeon that won the Welsh National is a good example of this as the mother is inbred to De Ligtemberg and De Tovenaar and the sire is of no realation at all, so a first cross.
geordie1234 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Hi Wull as Fifer stated I also have them, we obtained them the first time Raymond had a stall at Blackpool, and have strengthened our stock each year since then, I had 2 hens, a 3year old and a 2 year old at Clermont last year 524 miles, got the 3year old next morning and the 2 year old later that night. Cracking looking birds, I have a pair of youngsters in the HTH auctionsapper they look like crackers
frank-123 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 hopefully we will be able to visit the loft of raymond when we visit in march if not i sure hope he will be at houten showwent his sale in blackpool and the boys that bought them have had good results with the offspring so hopefully i can add some to my loft
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 hopefully we will be able to visit the loft of raymond when we visit in march if not i sure hope he will be at houten showwent his sale in blackpool and the boys that bought them have had good results with the offspring so hopefully i can add some to my loft Raymond is one of the good guys always willing to give advice and help were required and like you i also will be looking forward to visiting Raymonds loft, and Frank i am quite sure that he will let you know were the best nightclubs are whilst there.
budgie Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Raymond is one of the good guys always willing to give advice and help were required and like you i also will be looking forward to visiting Raymonds loft, and Frank i am quite sure that he will let you know were the best nightclubs are whilst there. Good luck with your visit and have you not already tried these pigeons.?
lanarkshire lad Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 hopefully we will be able to visit the loft of raymond when we visit in march if not i sure hope he will be at houten showwent his sale in blackpool and the boys that bought them have had good results with the offspring so hopefully i can add some to my loftIt might be too soon to ask this question but is there anybody in the west of scotland had any TOP results with them at any distance??
frank-123 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Raymond is one of the good guys always willing to give advice and help were required and like you i also will be looking forward to visiting Raymonds loft, and Frank i am quite sure that he will let you know were the best nightclubs are whilst there. nightclubs am there to look at pigeons five days peace and quiet loft visits
budgie Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 It might be too soon to ask this question but is there anybody in the west of scotland had any TOP results with them at any distance?? Jim with 70 pairs at stock what would you pick.There is not 70 Pre-Potent stock pairs in the U.K.
lanarkshire lad Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Jim with 70 pairs at stock what would you pick.There is not 70 Pre-Potent stock pairs in the U.K.I widnae know what to pick.I think they look lovely pigeons but on a friday nite at uddingston i look in the race baskets and see plenty lovely pigeons but its only a very small percentage of they doos that even GET to the channel never mind win at it.
frank-123 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Jim with 70 pairs at stock what would you pick.There is not 70 Pre-Potent stock pairs in the U.K. like anyone andy you pay your money you take your chance !!surely you have took a chance and failed more times than you get a good yin
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