chrisbonnie Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 seeing as its about time to start treating our birds for this that and the rest, whats a good tried and tested product for Trichomonas? i heard a belgian guy on a dvd say he uses some stuff called "ritsol, or ritzsol" any ideas on this? any help would be great lads, its my first breeding year, and i dont want to leave any stone unturned
PIGEON_MAN Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 Why treat just for the sake of it,if you really want to go down that road have your birds tested and then your not treating blind.
OLDYELLOW Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 BeriMaxTrichomonas is probably the most frequently found parasite in pigeons, but clinically disease is less often seen. The last 20 years no new drug has been introduced to cure this disease. In the middle of the '80, it was documented by researchers by the veterinary faculty in Utrecht, The Netherlands, that many of the Trichomonas strains were resistant to the most used drugs, like Spartrix, Ronidazol, Emtryl and Flagyl. Actually, all these drugs are chemically very similar, so a parasite resistant to one of them, would also be, or easily become, resistant to the other once. The reason for the development of resistance is the wrong use of medicines. Low doses in a short period (one or two days), kill the weakest parasites, but not the strongest. The result is more strong resistant parasites. Therefore many lofts are struggling with Trichomonas. The last years I have tested numerous substances for the effect against trichomonas. CITROMED was tested last year, and this citrus fruit product has a fairly good effect, but was not able to eradicate this parasite completely. Many chemicals, plant- and other natural extracts have been tested, and finally we have found a very effective remedy called BERIMAX. This is a yellow bitter pigment, chemically an alkaloid, which has a very good effect on the Trichomonas. We made a 10% solution, and form this solution we added 1 ml per litre of drinking water. The pigeons were treated in during 5 days, and then given clean tap water for 3 days. When the pigeons were tested for Trichomonas, 90 % were free from the parasite. After this we made a 20 % solution, buffered the solution, and gave 1 ml per litre drinking water. After only 10 hours, all the 4 test pigeons were free from the parasite when crop wash was examined under the microscope. These results were so good that we have conducted larger tests on a number of lofts, and we have been able to eradicate Trichomonas completely. Another positive effect of BERIMAX is that it is very active also against many common, but nasty bacteria like E. coli, Salmonella, Clostridium, and parasites like Giardia and Hexamita, commonly giving intestinal problems. We will also study the effect on coccidiosis and worm infections, and the results from this study will appear in Winning later this year or next year. But we will not stop the study here. Even important is to monitor the pigeons during the season, to find out if the medication has a positive effect of the breeding results or flight results. Also, the final formulation (strength), the most appropriate duration of treatment, the best package and other technical details have to be made before the product generally will be available. If somebody, any were in the world, want to participate in the final clinical study, this will be welcomed. BERIMAX will probably be distributed by Sinornis Pharma (www.sinornis.com) together with other pigeon health products. BERIMAX will initially not be considered as medicine, because the active compound is not on the medicine list, and the plants used are not considered as medicine plants. This means that the BERIMAX can be easily available for any pigeon fancier. It is a very interesting, but time also a time consuming and expensive process to develop new remedies. I hope BERIMAX will be a good alternative in the struggle against Trichomonas and probably other diseases in the future. \ BERIMAX forte. Product data sheet Origin: Berimax is a natural purified plant extract. Chemically it is an alkaloid and is a very bitter yellow pigment. This alkaloid is present in many specific plants found on all continents. The extraction and purification is complicated and can be carried out by CO2 extraction method. Purity is 98 %. Berimax contains 20 % purified plant extract. This is equivalent to 200 mg / ml.Biological properties: The plant extract of Berimax has the property to destroy single cell organisms like Trichomonas, Giardia, Hexamita parasites, but also bacteria like E. coli and Clostridium spp. This plant extract has also shown ability to inhibit cancer cells, and to protect liver cells against certain toxins. The plant extract of Berimax has also the ability to inhibit inflammations. Toxicity: The plant extract of Berimax is considered as non-toxic. However, taken in high doses can lead to intoxication. The lethal doses ( LD50 ) for rats is bout 1 gram per kg body weight, or 5 ml pure extract. Incompatibility: Berimax must not be mixed with any drug or water additives as we have seen flocculation and precipitation when mixed with e.g. acids, or medicines. Such visible chemical reactions might result in toxic compounds. Medical claims: No. Type of product: Nutraceutical. Liquid water soluble. Strong yellow colour and a bitter taste. 50 ml medical glass bottles. Use: General dose 5 mg per kg body weight. 1 ml is suitable for 40 kg bodyweight. Otherwise give 1 drop per 2 kg body weight. For very small animals dilute 1 ml in 9 ml of water, and give 1 or two drops. Oral administration. Horses 2 g once (=10 ml liquid) Cattle 3 g once (=15 ml liquid) Sheep and pigs 0,5 - 2,0 g once (= 2,5 ml liquid) Drinking water application for pigeons, poultry, birds* and rabbits. To kill Trichomonas and other single cell intestinal parasites, use 1 ml per litre of water. Give during 1 - 5 days. Up to 10 days.Warning: Use plastic gloves and disposable cloth when using this product due to strong yellow staining. Unnecessary contact with the product can give allergy (although not yet reported). *The product have been tested on poultry, European quail, domestic pigeons, canary, and some parrot and parakeet species and found safe. However, there might be species or individuals not tolerating this product well, and there might also exist until now undiscovered circumstances in housing, management, climate, nutrition or pathology which can result in adverse reactions by using this product. Allergy against this product can occur. This products have not been evaluated as medicine and can therefore not claim any specific medical properties. However experience and scientific literature have proven the efficacy and safety of this plant extract. Manufacturer and responsible company: Sinornis Pharma Ltd (Companies House No 4691134) Office 48, Imex Wansbeck Business CentreRotary Park Way, Ashington, Northumberland, NE63 8QZ, England Research and sales office: Sinornis Pharma Ltd Norwegian Branch, Phone 0047 975 60 818 Fax 00 47 55 93 60 55, e-mail: sinornis@is.online.no web address: www.sinornis.com
Tony C Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 http://www.petlifeonline.co.uk/Store/Products-for-Racing-Pigeons/Harkers-Products/Harkers-Harkanker-Soluble This is an over the counter product which contains Ronidazole.
chrisbonnie Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Posted November 1, 2010 http://www.petlifeonline.co.uk/Store/Products-for-Racing-Pigeons/Harkers-Products/Harkers-Harkanker-Soluble This is an over the counter product which contains Ronidazole. you use it yourself Tony?
ovy1255 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 sounds great yellow .where was the write up printed.
greenlands Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 I have four products which I rotate as required. BS.Flagyl,Turbosole and Metroniazole tablets. Lindsay
OLDYELLOW Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 sounds great yellow .where was the write up printed.was by a vet in Holland thats the full write up im always looking for none chemical alternatives
Tony C Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 you use it yourself Tony? Have done in the past when they were sitting their first round of eggs. There's alternative treatments out there a lot cheaper but they're POM (prescription only medicine) and can be hard to get hold of.
David_vet Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 seeing as its about time to start treating our birds for this that and the rest, whats a good tried and tested product for Trichomonas? i heard a belgian guy on a dvd say he uses some stuff called "ritsol, or ritzsol" any ideas on this? any help would be great lads, its my first breeding year, and i dont want to leave any stone unturned The product you refer to is no longer available "Ridsol". However, the active ingredient has been put up in pigeon form by various suppliers now. Firstly, buy from a reputable source, ensure it is a branded pharmacy or vet product. It should specify the active ingredient, it's concentration, recommended usage rate and should have some Batch number and expiry date. Secondly, if the label is not in english well .... I think it is more important to check for worms at this time. Best wishes,David
Guest Freebird Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 BeriMaxTrichomonas is probably the most frequently found parasite in pigeons, but clinically disease is less often seen. The last 20 years no new drug has been introduced to cure this disease. In the middle of the '80, it was documented by researchers by the veterinary faculty in Utrecht, The Netherlands, that many of the Trichomonas strains were resistant to the most used drugs, like Spartrix, Ronidazol, Emtryl and Flagyl. Actually, all these drugs are chemically very similar, so a parasite resistant to one of them, would also be, or easily become, resistant to the other once. The reason for the development of resistance is the wrong use of medicines. Low doses in a short period (one or two days), kill the weakest parasites, but not the strongest. The result is more strong resistant parasites. Therefore many lofts are struggling with Trichomonas. The last years I have tested numerous substances for the effect against trichomonas. CITROMED was tested last year, and this citrus fruit product has a fairly good effect, but was not able to eradicate this parasite completely. Many chemicals, plant- and other natural extracts have been tested, and finally we have found a very effective remedy called BERIMAX. This is a yellow bitter pigment, chemically an alkaloid, which has a very good effect on the Trichomonas. We made a 10% solution, and form this solution we added 1 ml per litre of drinking water. The pigeons were treated in during 5 days, and then given clean tap water for 3 days. When the pigeons were tested for Trichomonas, 90 % were free from the parasite. After this we made a 20 % solution, buffered the solution, and gave 1 ml per litre drinking water. After only 10 hours, all the 4 test pigeons were free from the parasite when crop wash was examined under the microscope. These results were so good that we have conducted larger tests on a number of lofts, and we have been able to eradicate Trichomonas completely. Another positive effect of BERIMAX is that it is very active also against many common, but nasty bacteria like E. coli, Salmonella, Clostridium, and parasites like Giardia and Hexamita, commonly giving intestinal problems. We will also study the effect on coccidiosis and worm infections, and the results from this study will appear in Winning later this year or next year. But we will not stop the study here. Even important is to monitor the pigeons during the season, to find out if the medication has a positive effect of the breeding results or flight results. Also, the final formulation (strength), the most appropriate duration of treatment, the best package and other technical details have to be made before the product generally will be available. If somebody, any were in the world, want to participate in the final clinical study, this will be welcomed. BERIMAX will probably be distributed by Sinornis Pharma (www.sinornis.com) together with other pigeon health products. BERIMAX will initially not be considered as medicine, because the active compound is not on the medicine list, and the plants used are not considered as medicine plants. This means that the BERIMAX can be easily available for any pigeon fancier. It is a very interesting, but time also a time consuming and expensive process to develop new remedies. I hope BERIMAX will be a good alternative in the struggle against Trichomonas and probably other diseases in the future. \ BERIMAX forte. Product data sheet Origin: Berimax is a natural purified plant extract. Chemically it is an alkaloid and is a very bitter yellow pigment. This alkaloid is present in many specific plants found on all continents. The extraction and purification is complicated and can be carried out by CO2 extraction method. Purity is 98 %. Berimax contains 20 % purified plant extract. This is equivalent to 200 mg / ml.Biological properties: The plant extract of Berimax has the property to destroy single cell organisms like Trichomonas, Giardia, Hexamita parasites, but also bacteria like E. coli and Clostridium spp. This plant extract has also shown ability to inhibit cancer cells, and to protect liver cells against certain toxins. The plant extract of Berimax has also the ability to inhibit inflammations. Toxicity: The plant extract of Berimax is considered as non-toxic. However, taken in high doses can lead to intoxication. The lethal doses ( LD50 ) for rats is bout 1 gram per kg body weight, or 5 ml pure extract. Incompatibility: Berimax must not be mixed with any drug or water additives as we have seen flocculation and precipitation when mixed with e.g. acids, or medicines. Such visible chemical reactions might result in toxic compounds. Medical claims: No. Type of product: Nutraceutical. Liquid water soluble. Strong yellow colour and a bitter taste. 50 ml medical glass bottles. Use: General dose 5 mg per kg body weight. 1 ml is suitable for 40 kg bodyweight. Otherwise give 1 drop per 2 kg body weight. For very small animals dilute 1 ml in 9 ml of water, and give 1 or two drops. Oral administration. Horses 2 g once (=10 ml liquid) Cattle 3 g once (=15 ml liquid) Sheep and pigs 0,5 - 2,0 g once (= 2,5 ml liquid) Drinking water application for pigeons, poultry, birds* and rabbits. To kill Trichomonas and other single cell intestinal parasites, use 1 ml per litre of water. Give during 1 - 5 days. Up to 10 days.Warning: Use plastic gloves and disposable cloth when using this product due to strong yellow staining. Unnecessary contact with the product can give allergy (although not yet reported). *The product have been tested on poultry, European quail, domestic pigeons, canary, and some parrot and parakeet species and found safe. However, there might be species or individuals not tolerating this product well, and there might also exist until now undiscovered circumstances in housing, management, climate, nutrition or pathology which can result in adverse reactions by using this product. Allergy against this product can occur. This products have not been evaluated as medicine and can therefore not claim any specific medical properties. However experience and scientific literature have proven the efficacy and safety of this plant extract. Manufacturer and responsible company: Sinornis Pharma Ltd (Companies House No 4691134) Office 48, Imex Wansbeck Business CentreRotary Park Way, Ashington, Northumberland, NE63 8QZ, England Research and sales office: Sinornis Pharma Ltd Norwegian Branch, Phone 0047 975 60 818 Fax 00 47 55 93 60 55, e-mail: sinornis@is.online.no web address: www.sinornis.comTried to aquire this BERIMAX a few years ago but it seemed to have just dissapeared off the market for some reason?
OLDYELLOW Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 Tried to aquire this BERIMAX a few years ago but it seemed to have just dissapeared off the market for some reason?might be worth going direct
Guest Freebird Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 might be worth going direct Tried it all. The dutch vet moved to Ausralia and since then nowt. All the links go nowhere???
OLDYELLOW Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 Tried it all. The dutch vet moved to Ausralia and since then nowt. All the links go nowhere???said might be produced in norway ??? perhaps sold it ????http://pigeonwriter.wordpress.com/special-pages/worms/
ovy1255 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 BERIMAX" - anyone know where to get some? - Page 2 - Pigeon-TalkWhen I bought my original supply of "Berimax", it was through some sketchy outfit in ... is a mixture of plant Alkaloids with the dominant one being Berberine, ...pigeons.biz/forums/f6/berimax-anyone-know-where-to-get-so... - 128k ALLS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS.INTERESTING READ.
REDCHEQHEN Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 http://berimax.synthasite.com/ It's not cheap LOL Also http://www.berimax.com/ e-mail: nilsreither@gmail.com
OLDYELLOW Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 http://berimax.synthasite.com/ It's not cheap LOL Also http://www.berimax.com/ e-mail: nilsreither@gmail.comnot kidding it aint cheap
chrisbonnie Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Posted November 1, 2010 The product you refer to is no longer available "Ridsol". However, the active ingredient has been put up in pigeon form by various suppliers now. Firstly, buy from a reputable source, ensure it is a branded pharmacy or vet product. It should specify the active ingredient, it's concentration, recommended usage rate and should have some Batch number and expiry date. Secondly, if the label is not in english well .... I think it is more important to check for worms at this time. Best wishes,David all good point David i was just wondering, i sent off 3 random throat swabs to a pigeon vet here in Ireland only yesterday, if they come back negative, should i bother treating for anything at all then?
Guest Freebird Posted November 2, 2010 Report Posted November 2, 2010 not kidding it aint cheap I tried this site years ago, as I say, try and buy some and I bet you can't.
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