North road racer Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Hi all, wondering if anybody bought birds from louella this year?? What did you have and why?? How did you get on with them?? Cheers
Guest bakes Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 a friend of mine and misses did he bought van der bosh and they came well for him all season. all the best.
Guest spin cycle Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 first and last i bought was in 2005...as a new starter....wasn't a great experience. i'm tempted to have another go and collect some yb in january but i don't know. last time it was a bit like 'we are the mighty louella stud and you are a lowly peasant'
Guest bakes Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 first and last i bought was in 2005...as a new starter....wasn't a great experience. i'm tempted to have another go and collect some yb in january but i don't know. last time it was a bit like 'we are the mighty louella stud and you are a lowly peasant' not the first time ive heard people saying that all there interested in is your money louella is only up road from me up threw lanes and few friends i no said them self all they interested in is your money seen them at blackpool money money money exchangeing hands hear there and everywere there ya best mate when your asking about doo but as soon as you get your cash out and hand it over they dont give a monkeys there on to the next person thats interested in another bird and to be fair some of the money being paid for birds made me laugh ive seen better birds go for peanuts at sales all because its bred off a champion bird it dont mean you going to win with it or breed anythink that wins off it as the bird that bred the bird management system not same as yours everyones is different hence why theres only 1 bird that tops club each week 1 bird that tops fed each week to many people are ped this ped that dont help the bird in anyway when its 100 of miles from home and winds on its head it comes back down to the flyer the owner the time and management thats been put into the bird that dissides if it comes from the race well or cruises home under its own homeing instinct. all the best.
Wiley Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Louellas was alot different when the great man Louis was alive, i feel he wouldnt have let it gone the way, where his sons buy pigeons for colour purpose, aswell as breeding for colour purpose.
virgin of the sky Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Tryinng them vandenabellies next year half the cost from the robbers.
Roland Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Well as most will say like bakes has in his post 'Because it's of champions, don't mean it will breed winner, or win etc.' However as Louis himself said 'But makes the chances a lot better'. Know of lofts started up with their birds and more than exelled. Know a great fancier who after 47 years is still buying in from Louella to inject vitality to his birds. Of course the % of winners are low etc. But likewise wise if the top 20 fanciers birds sold on in the UK are added up together, their would be no doubt at least as Bad - or good - as louellas. Indeed I'wager Louella's % would be better.
Guest bakes Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Well as most will say like bakes has in his post 'Because it's of champions, don't mean it will breed winner, or win etc.' However as Louis himself said 'But makes the chances a lot better'. Know of lofts started up with their birds and more than exelled. Know a great fancier who after 47 years is still buying in from Louella to inject vitality to his birds. Of course the % of winners are low etc. But likewise wise if the top 20 fanciers birds sold on in the UK are added up together, their would be no doubt at least as Bad - or good - as louellas. Indeed I'wager Louella's % would be better. was not de gradeing louella birds just to many people think if they buy birds from the likes of louellas and so on there going to win just because its bred off a champion bird but like anythink in life you get out what you put in i no flyers that have done well with louella birds but they grafted there back sides off spent hours grafting on there part and got the bird coming well each week and had some cracking performance but let face it louella does offer birds at working mans prices and have taken some good results with fanciers doing well with there bird like anythink in life you have you good and you have your bad its the chances you take pay your money take your chances thats all anyone can do. all the best.
Guest spin cycle Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 i think the kit of 10 is possibly good value...and you've perhaps a decent chance of getting a good one.in retrospect i'd wished i'd bred from my original kit of six instead of race as i think their progeny would have been better.two of my better birds had them as parents and i still have one hen. the only thing that puts me off is the fear of being treated like dirt....mind you i don't like being patronised either....i just want to be treated honestly in an a decent way. thats the way i trade and i tend to stick to people who act the same....if i got 'suckerred' again i'd kick myself
billt Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 first and last i bought was in 2005...as a new starter....wasn't a great experience. i'm tempted to have another go and collect some yb in january but i don't know. last time it was a bit like 'we are the mighty louella stud and you are a lowly peasant'I've dealt with Louella since the '70s and bought 5 in the last 2weeks and never had anything but courtesy from them, what happened to you?, out of interest
holmsidelofts Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 I would never buy from a stud that doesnt race. buying birds from birds that havent race is a lottery.I would rather go to someone like john at formula lofts and by a pair or two out of birds that are racing before i would ever go to louella.
billt Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 I would never buy from a stud that doesnt race. buying birds from birds that havent race is a lottery.I would rather go to someone like john at formula lofts and by a pair or two out of birds that are racing before i would ever go to louella.Your chances of being successful are limited then, Louella buy the best birds
Guest spin cycle Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 I've dealt with Louella since the '70s and bought 5 in the last 2weeks and never had anything but courtesy from them, what happened to you?, out of interest i just spent 10 minutes composing a reply...( i type one fingered )....then read it....then deleted it as it was possibly to bad to share on an open forum.
billt Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 i just spent 10 minutes composing a reply...( i type one fingered )....then read it....then deleted it as it was possibly to bad to share on an open forum.
holmsidelofts Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Your chances of being successful are limited then, Louella buy the best birds granted they do but we never see them.This is how studs work, they go in a buy everything from a winning fancier, good and bad. they bring them back to louella where they pair them up and breed from them. theses youngsters are then matured and then breed from again. these are the birds you get , not out of the winners they buy, they use the big winning pigeons name to convince people that they are getting the best but in reality all you are getting is grandchildren from the originals, then a lot fanciers will put these grand children to stock to breed out of so you then have 2 generations of unraced pigeons who are great grandchildren of the originals. the chance of breeding winners are slim as they are to far from the original genes. No one is saying they dont have good birds there because they do have some of the top racers of all time but unless you are willing to pay £1000's of pounds for children you will never get anything of any real value. just have a look at all the old stock birds they sell on there website, all of them are 'out of birds bred especially for stock by louella'. none are out of originals. check out there pedigrees if you want proof. Just say that the apple doesnt fall far from the tree thats why people like formula one lofts have a good reputation, because they race too, not just breeding.
john@formula 1 lofts Posted October 13, 2010 Report Posted October 13, 2010 Thanks mate, and i do beleive racing is a very important part. we not only get feedback from others but also our own racing lofts and if they are not breeding winners they are gone into the big loft in the sky no matter of cost. as we would only sell y/b's that we would be happy to race Thanks John
Roland Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 Remember that is why Dean Pallet packed up racing. As he has moved to the west of the Fed etc. HE knew he wouldn't win much, if any thing again! .... so as he reputedly says 'If I'm selling and RACING, I have to be winning ....' However, the good flyers in GOOD position win / won with his' SVR birds AFTER he had packed up racing ... just wasn't going to be him winning with his birds .
blaz Posted October 14, 2010 Report Posted October 14, 2010 first and last i bought was in 2005...as a new starter....wasn't a great experience. i'm tempted to have another go and collect some yb in january but i don't know. last time it was a bit like 'we are the mighty louella stud and you are a lowly peasant' had the same experience a few years back when all of the kit of six arrived riddled with canker. no apology or refund . a friend bought a kit of 10 don,t know what strain 1 of them turned out good topping fed twice and winning enough prize and pool money to cover cost of buying and courior plus a bit more PAY YOUR MONEY TAKE YOUR CHANCE
Guest BRYANBROCK Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 had the same experience a few years back when all of the kit of six arrived riddled with canker. no apology or refund . a friend bought a kit of 10 don,t know what strain 1 of them turned out good topping fed twice and winning enough prize and pool money to cover cost of buying and courior plus a bit more PAY YOUR MONEY TAKE YOUR CHANCETHE BIRDS YOU GOT WITH THE CANKER PERSONALLY I WOULD HEVE PLANTED THE LOT THEN SENT THE RINGS BACK SEE WHAT THEY SAID THEN
mac1 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 Please stay on topichi mate if your fancying some go for it,i did in 06&07 and to this day i always remember the smokey blue cock best pigeon ive had they were performance busshearts and jansens
dal2 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 Always look at Louellas doos at to be honest they have some of the finest lines from some of most of the top familys available. Have only once purchased and that was a set of six Jan Loots. Four were crap crap and culled within the month the other two were hens and kept as feeders. I know of a couple of members in my club who have bought kits of ten and had some great younguns that flew real well. Youjust dont know do you. Did I see a photo in the BHW of the best SNFC flier ever comin oot way his kit this year??
john@formula 1 lofts Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 If you bred 20,000 y/b's a year there must be some good ones.
Guest JonesyBhoy Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 If you bred 20,000 y/b's a year there must be some good ones. exactly.. would be interesting to see the ratio of winners to birds bred..
Delboy Posted October 15, 2010 Report Posted October 15, 2010 If you bred 20,000 y/b's a year there must be some good ones. Yes I agree John, Louella must breed some good birds with the amount they churn out every year.
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