Sparrowhawk

[cemetary]

be warey of this thread.

 

Am the same as you Patty,

[Guest spin cycle]

tequilaskylark. please don't think the negative replies are all you're fault...just as they are not,neccesarily, the posters fault. IMO the fault lies with the fact that pigeon fanciers feel (perhaps are?) persecuted by raptor lobby groups. this leads to us grouping together for defence as we are ,in general ,law abiding bird lovers. we perhaps feel disenfranchised by a system that does not hear (or want to hear) our concerns on raptors. faced with our own birds being hunted we are perhaps naturally more observant of the hawks and can see the damage being done to our songbirds. this frustration and the fact we are sometimes 'baited' by some in the falcon camp leads to a distrust of anyone new who starts asking questions. this is just my opinion/theory as i would not claim to speak for others

[Guest Owen]

I still say that you should be prepared to have your identity examined and you should be checked out by someone we can trust before you should be allowed to poke about into situations like this.

You will have noticed that quite a lot of the Pigeon Fanciers are very nice people and many are prepared to take you on trust. However, I doubt if you are genuine if only because, for an educated person, you are a very poor writer. I can not imagine what sort of scam you are pulling but I think you should take "NO' for an answer and buzz off.

It might be a good idea for you to go off to see the RSPB and tell them about the strength of feeling that you have encountered when you spoke to Pigeon Fanciers. If you are and unbiased person you may find out just what a group of absolute clowns these people really are. They are mostly ignorant individuals being influenced by a few cunning types who have their own nasty aims that are carefully kept secret from the masses.

[sea pigeon]

many dont understand till they seen there best birds taken off the loft

[Roland]

tequilaskylark. please don't think the negative replies are all you're fault...just as they are not,neccesarily, the posters fault. IMO the fault lies with the fact that pigeon fanciers feel (perhaps are?) persecuted by raptor lobby groups. this leads to us grouping together for defence as we are ,in general ,law abiding bird lovers. we perhaps feel disenfranchised by a system that does not hear (or want to hear) our concerns on raptors. faced with our own birds being hunted we are perhaps naturally more observant of the hawks and can see the damage being done to our songbirds. this frustration and the fact we are sometimes 'baited' by some in the falcon camp leads to a distrust of anyone new who starts asking questions. this is just my opinion/theory as i would not claim to speak for others

 

Owen has Eloquently put across in mild languange what many could and would in not so mild form. I for one. Can't se, as Rod adams wrote yet this week, why 18,000,000 birds should suffer (to the S.Hawk alone), be eaten alive and torn to pieces, just to make a wicked, and evil concern £millions! Doesn't need a rocket science, or college degree to time 155,000 paiars x 6. that is 155,000 x 2 which is 3010 x 6 (birds at least each) x 365 days.Yep S. Hawks alone!

Further perhaps a college degree could answer what justicifaction the RSPB have of taking £millions each year from the elderly, and bird lovers that wish - think - to see the pretty gardens birds that THEY think the RSPB are protecting!

[Roland]

I still say that you should be prepared to have your identity examined and you should be checked out by someone we can trust before you should be allowed to poke about into situations like this.

You will have noticed that quite a lot of the Pigeon Fanciers are very nice people and many are prepared to take you on trust. However, I doubt if you are genuine if only because, for an educated person, you are a very poor writer. I can not imagine what sort of scam you are pulling but I think you should take "NO' for an answer and buzz off.

It might be a good idea for you to go off to see the RSPB and tell them about the strength of feeling that you have encountered when you spoke to Pigeon Fanciers. If you are and unbiased person you may find out just what a group of absolute clowns these people really are. They are mostly ignorant individuals being influenced by a few cunning types who have their own nasty aims that are carefully kept secret from the masses.

 

Owen has Eloquently put across in mild languange what many could and would in not so mild form. I for one. Can't se, as Rod adams wrote yet this week, why 18,000,000 birds should suffer (to the S.Hawk alone), be eaten alive and torn to pieces, just to make a wicked, and evil concern £millions! Doesn't need a rocket science, or college degree to time 155,000 paiars x 6. that is 155,000 x 2 which is 3010 x 6 (birds at least each) x 365 days.Yep S. Hawks alone!

Further perhaps a college degree could answer what justicifaction the RSPB have of taking £millions each year from the elderly, and bird lovers that wish - think - to see the pretty gardens birds that THEY think the RSPB are protecting!

[dal2]

Owen has Eloquently put across in mild languange what many could and would in not so mild form. I for one. Can't se, as Rod adams wrote yet this week, why 18,000,000 birds should suffer (to the S.Hawk alone), be eaten alive and torn to pieces, just to make a wicked, and evil concern £millions! Doesn't need a rocket science, or college degree to time 155,000 paiars x 6. that is 155,000 x 2 which is 3010 x 6 (birds at least each) x 365 days.Yep S. Hawks alone!

Further perhaps a college degree could answer what justicifaction the RSPB have of taking £millions each year from the elderly, and bird lovers that wish - think - to see the pretty gardens birds that THEY think the RSPB are protecting!

 

 

Well said Roland.

[Guest spin cycle]

i admit i've been taken in before by newbies. but we've no proof she's not genuine. do you think that the 'otherside' are being as suspicious?.....or are they using their 'spin doctors' to say 'don't listen to pigeon fanciers...they are allways going to be anti-hawk'. if so what impression is she going to take away? even if she is a hawk lobby plant what harm does it do to try and tell our side rationally (as i hope i've tried to do)

[dal2]

i admit i've been taken in before by newbies. but we've no proof she's not genuine. do you think that the 'otherside' are being as suspicious?.....or are they using their 'spin doctors' to say 'don't listen to pigeon fanciers...they are allways going to be anti-hawk'. if so what impression is she going to take away? even if she is a hawk lobby plant what harm does it do to try and tell our side rationally (as i hope i've tried to do)

 

 

If you look round the various forums that this lass is on then it becomes clear that she is genuine. It also becomes clear wot the others think of us fanciers "Interest Parties" and "minority organisation"

 

A wee man asked me at the weekend tae put some cash in his bucket for the RSPBOP and when challenged aboot the hawk problem for the fancy and songbirds decline looked away and asked some old biddy for her cash.

I dont know if he was ignorant aboot the problem or just ignorant. I just wanted tae cut his ponytail off.

[billt]

If you look round the various forums that this lass is on then it becomes clear that she is genuine. It also becomes clear wot the others think of us fanciers "Interest Parties" and "minority organisation"

 

A wee man asked me at the weekend tae put some cash in his bucket for the RSPBOP and when challenged aboot the hawk problem for the fancy and songbirds decline looked away and asked some old biddy for her cash.

I dont know if he was ignorant aboot the problem or just ignorant. I just wanted tae cut his ponytail off.

A good genuine reply there mate

[yeboah]

If you look round the various forums that this lass is on then it becomes clear that she is genuine. It also becomes clear wot the others think of us fanciers "Interest Parties" and "minority organisation"

 

A wee man asked me at the weekend tae put some cash in his bucket for the RSPBOP and when challenged aboot the hawk problem for the fancy and songbirds decline looked away and asked some old biddy for her cash.

I dont know if he was ignorant aboot the problem or just ignorant. I just wanted tae cut his ponytail off.

 

No what they say about ponytails steve ,there's an a---hole under everyone

[Guest challengerlofts]

Hi

 

Thank you for your reply. Its really helpful.

 

Sorry it seems my post hasn't gone done too well. Im sorry about that, i didn't mean to course any upset or suspician. I am a student, just researching Sparrowhawks. I do not at the moment have enough information to make an informed decision on their 'methods' I hope to include both sides of the arguement of Sparrowhawks hunting, in my dissertation, and it seems you all have very strong views on them and their hunting habits. Please i am a genuine student, just trying to get as many responses to my questionnaire as possible. i have had doubts on one of the other forums i joined too, but they asked me some questions and it seems were happy with my answers. The reasons i joined all those forums is to simply get as many people to fill out my questionnaire as i possibly can.

 

I am really sorry to cause such problems, however i really hope you can see that i am genuine and will help me out.

 

Many thanks

 

Beth

 

Hi Beth, Sparrowhawks don't do anything but keep killing everyday the helpless small song birds. It seems those people from RSPB's enjoying watching small birds being eaten alive by Sparrohawks in the very front of their family's eye.

 

Sparrohawks is a kind of Bully Birds.

[tequilaskylark]

Hi Beth, Sparrowhawks don't do anything but keep killing everyday the helpless small song birds. It seems those people from RSPB's enjoying watching small birds being eaten alive by Sparrohawks in the very front of their family's eye.

 

Sparrohawks is a kind of Bully Birds.

 

 

Hi

 

Thanks for your reply, this is what i'm interested in seeing. The different side to the argument, they is plenty of research out there about Sparrowhawks from scientists like Ian Newton... However this only shows one side, i am hoping to be completely unbiased in my dissertation and provide the facts and different points of view. It seems there's not much about Sparrowhawks causing problems, like you are suggesting.

 

Thank you for your help.

 

Beth

[tequilaskylark]

If you look round the various forums that this lass is on then it becomes clear that she is genuine. It also becomes clear wot the others think of us fanciers "Interest Parties" and "minority organisation"

 

A wee man asked me at the weekend tae put some cash in his bucket for the RSPBOP and when challenged aboot the hawk problem for the fancy and songbirds decline looked away and asked some old biddy for her cash.

I dont know if he was ignorant aboot the problem or just ignorant. I just wanted tae cut his ponytail off.

 

Thank you for believing me, i honestly am just trying to get the whole picture. I don't believe it would be fair to just show the one side of the argument and plus i wouldn't get very good marks either :-)

 

Many thanks

Beth

[tequilaskylark]

i admit i've been taken in before by newbies. but we've no proof she's not genuine. do you think that the 'otherside' are being as suspicious?.....or are they using their 'spin doctors' to say 'don't listen to pigeon fanciers...they are allways going to be anti-hawk'. if so what impression is she going to take away? even if she is a hawk lobby plant what harm does it do to try and tell our side rationally (as i hope i've tried to do)

 

Hi

 

Thank you for your reply, i really do appreciate it! I hope to see the bigger picture and see whats really going on. I think its crazy that you can't protect your own birds, i don't see why thats a problem with the law?! As i said before i have dogs, and would do anything to protect them. I also know how attached i am to them and if someone told me (law or otherwise) that i couldn't protect them i wouldn't be happy!!!

 

Thanks again

 

Beth

[tequilaskylark]

Owen has Eloquently put across in mild languange what many could and would in not so mild form. I for one. Can't se, as Rod adams wrote yet this week, why 18,000,000 birds should suffer (to the S.Hawk alone), be eaten alive and torn to pieces, just to make a wicked, and evil concern £millions! Doesn't need a rocket science, or college degree to time 155,000 paiars x 6. that is 155,000 x 2 which is 3010 x 6 (birds at least each) x 365 days.Yep S. Hawks alone!

Further perhaps a college degree could answer what justicifaction the RSPB have of taking £millions each year from the elderly, and bird lovers that wish - think - to see the pretty gardens birds that THEY think the RSPB are protecting!

 

 

Hi

 

Thanks for your reply, see this is the side i haven't come across before! This is exactly the sort of research which is relevant and very useful to me, to show that the Sparrowhawks are not quite so nice as people make out! Thats a hell of a lot of birds! I haven't seen the article 'Rod Adams' wrote this week, is there anywhere i could view a copy?

 

Many thanks

 

Beth

[tequilaskylark]

I still say that you should be prepared to have your identity examined and you should be checked out by someone we can trust before you should be allowed to poke about into situations like this.

You will have noticed that quite a lot of the Pigeon Fanciers are very nice people and many are prepared to take you on trust. However, I doubt if you are genuine if only because, for an educated person, you are a very poor writer. I can not imagine what sort of scam you are pulling but I think you should take "NO' for an answer and buzz off.

It might be a good idea for you to go off to see the RSPB and tell them about the strength of feeling that you have encountered when you spoke to Pigeon Fanciers. If you are and unbiased person you may find out just what a group of absolute clowns these people really are. They are mostly ignorant individuals being influenced by a few cunning types who have their own nasty aims that are carefully kept secret from the masses.

 

 

HI

 

I am completely happy to have my identity examined, and i completely understand your views now. I didn't know that other people had joined groups like this before to get information and then use it against you. I am willing to answer any questions you want me to, in order to show you i am genuine. Or if you just don't want to be bothered with me, i won't be be offended either. Im sorry you have all had such a rough time with protecting your birds, however i am just trying to write a good dissertation with more than just the one side.

 

I have tried to get in contact with the RSPB in the past, with regards to research. They just sent me back an automated reply which basically said to join their forum. (which i did) So i didn't find them at all helpful!

 

I can assure you, my dissertation will not appear online anywhere. Unless of course it's purely because of my great writing skills, securing me a 1st! :-) LOL

 

Please anyone who has witnessed a Sparrowhawk hunting, look at my questionnaire and fill it in. I think if you see the questions in it, you will realise i'm not pulling any sort of scam and i am genuinely interested in them.

 

Many thanks

 

Beth

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

BETH. ALL THE RSPB ARE WANTING PEOPLE TO SELL RAFFLE BOOKS AND DONATIONS.

[Guest IB]

HI

 

I am completely happy to have my identity examined, and i completely understand your views now. I didn't know that other people had joined groups like this before to get information and then use it against you. I am willing to answer any questions you want me to, in order to show you i am genuine. Or if you just don't want to be bothered with me, i won't be be offended either. Im sorry you have all had such a rough time with protecting your birds, however i am just trying to write a good dissertation with more than just the one side.

 

I have tried to get in contact with the RSPB in the past, with regards to research. They just sent me back an automated reply which basically said to join their forum. (which i did) So i didn't find them at all helpful!

 

I can assure you, my dissertation will not appear online anywhere. Unless of course it's purely because of my great writing skills, securing me a 1st! :-) LOL

 

Please anyone who has witnessed a Sparrowhawk hunting, look at my questionnaire and fill it in. I think if you see the questions in it, you will realise i'm not pulling any sort of scam and i am genuinely interested in them.

 

Many thanks

 

Beth

 

I have completed your questionnaire and from the range of questions you ask I am quite happy that it is bona-fide research and unbiased one way or the other. Good luck with your dissertation.

 

On a personal note, I have seen some of the comments on the other websites that you posted your questionnaire on: comments about 'people being lucky' to have a sparrowhawk in their garden. That made me recollect a wildlife programme shown on TV some time ago where one 'nature lover' remarked how happy he was to have witnessed a sparrowhawk catch kill and eat a bird (a bird that he had attracted to his garden for a meal at his birdtable, just for it to end up a meal for this other bird). I make no apology for thinking there is something wrong with a person who can watch a bird being eaten alive by another, and not feel compelled to do something about that. But then its 'a protected species'. So what protection does the Law offer the victims of this protected species? Do they not have a right to life? Or are non-predators a second-class species - food for the Elite?

[Guest monkeynuts71]

you just type in sparrowhawk in youtube to find what lovelly people we have in this country. lets film a bird being eaten alive and there are many videos of them killing birds in various different ways like drowning etc. what do these budding amateur spielbergs do??? do nothing to help the bird but carry on filming with stupid comments along the way

 

this is what my friendly local sparrowhawk does

[Roland]

tequilaskylark if genuine or not, just walk the hedgerows.

Saw a corner bush just 9 days ago, teaming with small birds.... then for miles nary many at all. The comment was exactly as MOST have heard of the older generation. That is how it was and should be.

Hedges teaming with wonderful singing colours, namely birds. Us over 50's remember them days well. Yes the Squirrels were about. Magpies kept to a manageable quota, likewise B.O.P. and Sparrow Hawks.

o yes EVERYONE that was interested in seeing birds, of whatever sort COULD!

my grandchildren are already missing out on so very many lovely species. Their children will only see B.O.P. killing and eating other B.O.P. For the simple reality is there won't be anything else to eat. Simple realism and fact is that, and no need for study, or investigations, for they ain’t there no more in any way as they was, and oh so very few left that once was teaming. This was when ‘Bird egg collecting’ was ventured into by nigh every child…. All to no real harm as the numbers took that in the ‘Stride’!. But like all 'Powers to Be' so trumped up with self egoist and false pride, they won't see further than their nose to make money, and poster false reasons to tickle the ears, and spout the simple ole fool proof ‘We are doing this so Our children, and their’ children’s children will be able to put this right and see the beauty of the hedgerows' …whilst smiling all the way to the bank!

I mean just how does one equate that there are millions of birds missing every year, when more and better 'Habitat' are around and cared for etc?

This is 'All me Eye' to fool many, but rather more in real terms the RSPB'S PROGRAM TO BREED MORE food the the B.O.P. and S. Hawks to keep them alive! For hey know better than most that the carnage can't continue with out replacing the food chain. That is why they are, and will import from abroad to sustain their efforts, know deviously that they will be dead and gone, wealthy and passing on yet another head ache of a problem, not being abled to be rememdied.

[Guest challengerlofts]

Hi

 

Thanks for your reply, this is what i'm interested in seeing. The different side to the argument, they is plenty of research out there about Sparrowhawks from scientists like Ian Newton... However this only shows one side, i am hoping to be completely unbiased in my dissertation and provide the facts and different points of view. It seems there's not much about Sparrowhawks causing problems, like you are suggesting.

 

Thank you for your help.

 

Beth

 

Hi Beth

 

Here's one of my youngest 4 years old son favouite yellow bird. My son been with me for several times from 16 miles up to 35 miles to train his favourite yellow bird. One afternoon, during their exercise 6 of my YB's has been chaised by 2 Sparrowhawks. Including this yellow bird & come back, after 2 days like this. Out of 6 YB's, only this YB managed to come back home in that kind of situation. The rest could dead as well by now. On that wound, you could see things inside as well. I did what I could. The next day morning, I was on the kitchen seing this yellow bird drinking. At the same time, the water is coming out from the chest. It's look like a fountain. That's how bad what Sparrohawks did to my favourite son's bird.

 

Sparrowhawks same as vicious dogs.

 

Is it seems there's not much about Sparrowhawks causing problems? Just look at it the picture. Thank you

 

 

 

[Fly_caster]

Questionnaire completed earlier today - good luck with your paper.

 

 

ATB,

 

 

Steve

[Guest wattle]

look sparrowhawks are killers of all birds from a sparrow to a pigeon the have no natural enemies so the just multiply every year and every year the kill more birds to feed them selfs and there young.i feed the sparrows here at my house and last year the multipyled up to 40 odd birds after the winter there was 5 left and i was feeding them all winter long, so the did not die from hunger i seen the hawks after them lots of times, so you see hawks will wipe out every medium sized bird soon and then when all the song birds are gone somone might take notice but it will be to late then, in 1 winter i lost 33 pigeons to hawks and peregrines now thats a lot off birds in one winter. birds of prey are out of control and something needs to be done about it, before it,s to late.

[THE FIFER]

Thank you for believing me, i honestly am just trying to get the whole picture. I don't believe it would be fair to just show the one side of the argument and plus i wouldn't get very good marks either :-)

 

Many thanks

Beth

 

if you want information you could get in touch with the Scottish Homing Union who done a lot of work regarding BOP and racing pigeons,