micko and jack Posted October 27, 2008 Report Posted October 27, 2008 should fantails be given cod liver oil ?? if so how much and how often if not what should i be giving them to help through the moult and what should i be giving them over the winter to keep them in top condition thanks micko
The Navigator Posted October 27, 2008 Report Posted October 27, 2008 I use a bottle top's worth twice a week, mixed in with the corn each week all year round. Does not do mine any harm.
REDCHEQHEN Posted October 27, 2008 Report Posted October 27, 2008 Naturaline is very good for the moult (and all year round) and very economical Cod liver oil dose - depends on how many birds you've got - 10ml to a kilogram of corn is more than enough - then I 'dry off' by adding powdered seaweed - only use twice a week
b.massey Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 Red cheque your right naturline is a very good suppliment. I only started using 2 years ago and would never not give my birds it through moult now. I use twice a week when moult is over.
Guest strapper Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 try this... i made this one day thinking about moulting birds, but thought this maybe helpful during breeding/racing season too. get a quantity of red/black minerals. mix in a multi vit fluid into the minerals making it to a dryish consistancy...(dry cement mix) then add some cod liver oil to the mix and try to keep the mix to a dryish consistancy adding more minerals if needed. but make sure its not too dry. you can add any other fish oils you may wish , depending on what you can get hold of. when ur satisfied with this mix , place into the red pickstone pots you have. and firm into place. the birds will look at this stupid , but wait till the morning and they would have tested this and eaten a fair bit. hope this helps...and by the way any company found making this i want free samples all year round lol.
wilkins Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 i thought this would attract damp and may lead to wet canker? would cod liver not go rancid if left rather than eaten imediatlley
Guest strapper Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 i thought this would attract damp and may lead to wet canker? would cod liver not go rancid if left rather than eaten imediatlley it wouldnt be around long enough to get damp.and what ever you havent given birds would naturally be stored in a sealed container. with the oil content it would keep the minerals fresher longer.
Roland Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 Must be careful as it can quickly turn rancid.
Guest strapper Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 Must be careful as it can quickly turn rancid. just like most things, it has a shelf life. it all depends how much is made up and can it be used sooner rather than later.
wilkins Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 it wouldnt be around long enough to get damp.and what ever you havent given birds would naturally be stored in a sealed container. with the oil content it would keep the minerals fresher longer. it would still have to be stored in the fridge any good cod liver oil says on the bottle when opened must be kept in the fridge , horse ones which are poor quality do not have to
Guest strapper Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 it would still have to be stored in the fridge any good cod liver oil says on the bottle when opened must be kept in the fridge , horse ones which are poor quality do not have to ive always used it up by next day..hasnt done any harm to my birds , but then again isnt cod liver oil used in hormoform?
wilkins Posted October 28, 2008 Report Posted October 28, 2008 I DONT THINK ITS THE ONE FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION THE HORSE ONE CAN BE STORED IN THE DARK NOT IN A FRIDGE SO MAYBE THEY USE THAT ONE
jonjon Posted November 9, 2008 Report Posted November 9, 2008 i use codliver oil once an week to drt it i use red minerals and brewers yeast birds look well
Chairman Posted November 9, 2008 Report Posted November 9, 2008 Hewd On Owd Lad! watch the amount you give over the feed it should only put a slight glisten to it.Too much and next season your in for heartbreak, this happened to a top midland partnership (Porter & Richardson), one season, one of the partners fancy a go at the shows so the birds were given cod liver oil on the feed, homoform and oil seeds thinking the birds would grow new thick silky feathers, well they faired very well in the shows but on the commencment of racing they put a crack team of proven pigeons out and they were literally dropping out the sky 15 - 20 miles from where they had been liberated.To cut the story short it transpired that all the oil that was put on the feed in the winter, with the birds not flying out,they saturated the birds liver and other organs with oil which stopped the organs working effectively, which amounted to these birds not being able to continue in flight due to the blood carrying to many toxins. The birds in question had to be rested that season, and although the idea is good we should think before we use anything onto the feed or mix into the drinking water,too much we can cause damage too little and there is no point in giving the product at all.
wilkins Posted November 10, 2008 Report Posted November 10, 2008 yes good pint we should remeber not to give the birds to much of oil's a light coating once a week of mixed cold pressed oils stored in the fridge is enough , then make sure all the food with oil is cleared and not left in the loft
Guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Posted November 10, 2008 I use a bottle top's worth twice a week, mixed in with the corn each week all year round. Does not do mine any harm. Once a week for me a teaspoon to 1lb food with probiotic whilst racing, every 2/3 weeks otherwise
Guest slugmonkey Posted November 11, 2008 Report Posted November 11, 2008 Hemp seeds have more omega 3, 6, 9, than fish oils you might consider feeding these instead Another argument for open loft during off season !!!
Chairman Posted November 11, 2008 Report Posted November 11, 2008 An interesting thread, I ask, by feeding hemp would this not induce the birds to moult more freely? I remember the great Geoff Kirkland showing us a small bag of hemp seed that he used for conditionong his race candidates, when asked how much / often do you feed this to the birds he told us that the small bag would last him all that season and that would include the young birds as well.If you over heat them it would induce the birds to be slack in feather, which is the opposite of what we fanciers in the UK are trying to attain with our race birds for the optimum condition. I enjoy your view, I can see your a thinking fancier.
Guest slugmonkey Posted November 11, 2008 Report Posted November 11, 2008 I use hemp during the race season and give a little while rearing as it has a lot of fat and protien
lawrie Posted November 11, 2008 Report Posted November 11, 2008 it wouldnt be around long enough to get damp.and what ever you havent given birds would naturally be stored in a sealed container. with the oil content it would keep the minerals fresher longer. can it not be frozen? i used to make up feed for my finches and what was left over i used to freeze.
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