Unives 1.7 ETS

[Jack Sprat]

Reading up on ETS while waiting for my late commers this afternoon, I see that the RPRA are saying units compatable with Unives 1.7 Yet as I understand it the Bricon system from Belgium are on Unives BE  a different operating system is this a bit like a PC and an Apple Mac (Two entirley different operating systems)

Reading ETS for beginners on the Bricon web site it would appear the Belgian system is not the same as Unives 1.7 that the RPRA have approved, be carefull lads, make sure the one you get has the Unives 1.7 or it will be like having an old Betamax video recorder,

[gangster]

IVE GOT UNIKON THATS OK I THINK.........

[gangster]

ive got my babies now..........

[Roland]

Yeah, went up Scotland and got some... right price too lol!

[Guest TAMMY_1]

ive got my babies now..........

 

YOU SURE HAVE YA BIG MOOCHER ;D

[Pompey Mick]

Surely, if this is the case, then the Bricon system in its present form is not approved by the RPRA and shouldn't be advertised for sale in this country for racing purposes.

[expat1]

Hi Jack

Bricon is FULLY compatable with unives 1.7 and with full Compatability

The problem is the others are only up to using unives 1.7. not full compatabilityYou will see what i mean in time. Plus remember all the Pads of all other makes of Pad, Antennas have to have a dividing piece between the Live Fields No matter what is said in print this is true. The only one which does not need a dividing piece is Bricon

I.E all other Pads say with two field witll only time in two pigeons at one time simply because there is only room on those pads for one pigeon to stand Bricon has no dead fieds and pads they sell number Four different sizes, With i repeat no dead zones. The RPRA has said three pads per loft which is best a two antenna pad or a choice of four pad sizes. Note IUnikon only has one pad and that is a two field antenna I havve had one in my home for the last two years and thjey are still the same.In time we will dsee who is telling you the truth

PLus take note if you have a pad with two fields you will not be able to put another pad the same right next to it to make it a four field, because one will interfer with another being so close.Do not listen to some of the sellers if you do then you will pay the price later on. Notice Bricon never mentions another ETS system unlike others. When we moved over here to Belgium i had a rep come from Unikon. He talked for one hour about other sysyurems without mentioning his own when i asked him to show me the ETS he had not bought it with him afte going back home he retuned with a Pad the same one in my house today. After in asked him to tell me about unikon system He told me the Pad had no dead fields and did not need a partiotion . Since he left i found out different it did have dead zones and did need a partition.

I then got Bricon to come He talked only about Bricon no other system so we bought Bricon And we have used it for two years

The Unikon Master will not set the Bricon Clock the Tipes Clock will not set the Unikon or Bricon Clock the Bricon Master will set all MAKES of ETS I have seen it working. in our own club before i moved here they had Tipes Now they hire a Bricon Master to set all makes of ETS clocks Plain Fact

But do not take any notice of what i say to you. Find out in due course in your own time

expat1

 

[Jack Sprat]

Hi Expat1,  thats good to see because ets is new in England I dont want to see us being sold down the river, however I have to correct you about your BRICON PADS because at the Demonstration in the North East I was told by the man from Belgium that the Bricon Anttenna have to be 1 meter apart from each other otherwise the do what you say start working against each other, I think this is something he said to do with the magnetic and radio fields used to read the rings.

 

I will be going to the Unikon demonstration on Tuesday so will be able to see there pads there and will report back then, however at Blackpool the pads I saw there clocked the ring all over, I know this becasue I asked him to take it out the traps because I didnt believe him, he did and the ring read every where, and that was in the morning before I had been in the bar!

 

 

[expat1]

Hi Jack

Thank You. You do not have to correct me because if you read my post again you will see that i have said that if you put two pads together they will not work. Just as Mr Nolmans told you at the demo Up North and If that Demo you went to was at Fencehouses, or Cockfield west Durham Then i was at Both Demos. I will not tell you or any Englgishman any lies. or untruths. That is why i tell you. I do not need to, But we had Problems over here with other ETS systems not being Compatable and i would like to try and see it avoided over in England Beause the way they race is completly different system to the Dutch and German way. They more so in Germany do not need full compatability Dutch do not But the English will find out they will If they do not then Fanciers will not have Choices and the English Style of Racing will eventually change

[Poacher]

The UNIKON antenna is two field and can be placed side by side and that is FACT

[expat1]

Hi Poacher

You will have to section off the Unikon antenna and you will only have the two fileds as i have already said and if you do not section off the fields you will lose pigeons being race timed, and that is Fact'

Never the less we can talk on until the time comes when all will be revelled. So i myself cannot keep repeating myself

It is every mans right to buy the ETS system he wants, and good liuck to those who choose correctly

Had the RPRA gone for full compatability then it would have not mattered what system one bought they would all work as one, But at the monent they will not. I have told you and time will tell you is right. My last on this subject

expat1

[Guest TAMMY_1]

buy a t3 instead ;D

[Poacher]

I am aware of the reasons on how the antennas should be set up EXPAT1, however I am also aware of what happens when you start using large mulriplexing antennae, that have overlapping fields as you run the risk of missing pigeons FACT.

 

Reading Jacks post though he has a valid point, if the system is running on UnivesBE it is not approved according to the RPRA rules, any way thats politics and all I am trying to say is as Jack has pointed out, dont get caught out, as one operating system is definatly not the same as the other and as RPRA members we should abide by the rules weather we agree with them or not as once we start working outside of them we end up in no mans land, so when buying a system be sure it has Unives1.7 Protocol in as stated by the RPRA or you will end up at central marking and not be able to mark your birds.

 

UnivesBE is not compatible with Unives1.7 FACT nor is it more compatible as its a different system all together!

 

[expat1]

Poacher

I have said twice now overlapping pads do not work or pads next to each other.

unives 1.7 chosen by the RPRA is of course what it will be at least for 2007

UnivesBE is a fully compatable

All ETS systems passed by the RPRA will operate with Unives 1.7

BUT. Only Bricon will operate on both systems

It is proven fact over in Belgium. Last Year a Unikon Master Blew up trying to set my Bricon Clock The Tipes Master would only set Tipes Clocks

The Bricon Master will  SET all Clocks, Fact

As i said you pays your money and Hope for the best

Lets al,.l now wait and see. I for one am not really involved with the englisgh Side now, But i give advice because many of the Lads do not have a clue and if i can help them so well and good

expat1

[Brian Smith]

Hi expat I was wondering are you Steve Patrick and if so do you get any rewards off Bricon because if not it seems strange to me that you go to all these ETS demos out of the love of the sport in this country that you left, we have used the Unicon for our own benefit for the past 3 years and found it to be a terrific system yes i think there will be teething problems but this will be with most of the systems if not all

[PIGEON_MAN]

As a club secretary i have been trying to find out as much as I possibly can  over the last couple of months about the differant ETS systems,at the Spring fair which was held at the Bescot Stadium Walsall there were various ones on show but i must admit that the Bricon system was the one i was most impressed with,one thing which i was concerned about was the fact that the Unikon system would not read the Bricon rings when they were passed over the pad,but there was no problem passing the Unikon ring over the Bricon pad.Can someone tell me if these rings are not supposed to be compatable with all systems,or is this a problem with the Unikon system.

[expat1]

Hi Brian

I am pleased that you put your private email to me in the ETS Page at my request, so all can read it.

You Ask do i get paid by Bricon as i have been over to England with them

Firstly. WHY' do some  of you think so badly of others like myself

Yes' I am Steve Patrick of Brothers Patrick. and NO' i have never been paid one penny for anything i write about including Bricon.

I get in the post or Emails nearly every week Very unsavoury letters some swearing and cursing at me then no name or address.

There are many fanciers in England most who do not know me would never ask suc h a Question, They appreciate what i tell them and I will continue to do so, simply because i love helping people. When it comes to Pigeons I had the best Tutor a fancier could possibly have and i was a lucky fellow. I learned a lot and over 50 plus years in the sport have learned a lot more, My Tutor never thought twice about learning me or giving me advice So i do the same to the best of my ability to help others who need it and i am proud to say over the years it runs into many hundreds of fanciers But i enjoy doing it

 

You say why do i wish to go over to England when i have left it

If you read my articles at all. We went over to Compete on equal terms with the Dutch Belgian French and Germans in the Long Distance International Races and when i moved over i was coming up 64 years old now 66 years old. It takes a fair bit of Bottle to do itat that age  then to put into Print The Good things and the Bad things I tell the readers as it is No elabotaing or holding back

Oh ' I tell you a Lie. THe BHW pay me £35 for each of my monthly articles and i never asked for it including the Photos i take and when except for this year when i now have a digital Camera the Costs of taking the photos and getting them Printed in the shop was not cheap was not cheap

I went Upnorth to a Moot organised by Coliin Surtees He asked Me to go on it and i jumped at the Chance I have never had a proper conversation taliking about pigeons for near on 3 years and i know Many of the lads up there having been going up there for 35 years or so. It was a good night and Bricon Gave a Demo at the same time, but i kept away from it and watched with the lads

Two Weeks later i went back to Somerset to a venue only one mile from our old House. A chance to see my 74 and 86 year old Neighbours before they pass on, Plus all the Mates i left behind in the Local Clubs

The Next day we on to Cockfield Club at West Durham where i used to Stay Going up twice a year to see my friends So it was a rare treat for me although we covered 2,200 kms that weekend Driving

So to answer yor Question again do i get paid. Not one Penny all the Pigepn Products i tell fanciers about i pay the same price I mention Corn Suppliers we use I pay the full price Just bought 2 bags of Beyers Prenmium Breeder and One Bag of Super Widowhood and 5kg of Super Engery Cost to me 47.46 euros full price but i will in my writings tell fanciers how i feed and what i feed But that is it

Remember Brian When i write my articles i am writing only about our life over in Belgium I do not put race results of others to make up the space

Now to get back to my trip over to Somerset and Up North. We stayed on the Saturday night at the Old Down inn a place 364 years old

I paid the Bill the next morning  for two rooms bed and breakfast in Pounds Sterling for Both of us. After the Demo We went to dinner and i took the Bricon Director to our local fish and Chip shop already booked a table by our friends from home. I paid the Bill of nearly £15.00 if you wish i will give you the phone number of the Old Down inn and you can ask them who paid the Bill, Steve Patrick or the Belgian Person

On the Evening of the Up North Demo we stayed in a Hotel before going home at 6.30 the next morning. For this hotel the Bricon Director Paid for both rooms. So you see i pay my way I want nothing from no one and i insist on not having anything from no one That is the way i have bought up and that is how it will remain for the rest of my life I hope this will answer you, Its up to you if you believe what i have said but i hope you do

Steve expat

[Jack Sprat]

i,m lost EXPAT so are you saying that UnivesBE is the same as Unives1.7 because if you are, then you should take your Bricon clock to Holland with Unives BE software in as it is in Belgium and your clock will not work, because it just like Apple Mac and PC based software are different, so is UnivesBE and Unives1.7

 

'BE' is not Unives with just a bit more on top, this is not Windows 98 or XP where software is upgraded, it is a totally different language to Unives1.7, that is approved by the RPRA.

 

Any clock with UnivesBE in it according to RPRA will not be allowed according to the rules!

[Jack Sprat]

Expat1 Mark Palmer said all the other systems work with UnivesBE in Belgium some one here has there wires crossed, and  both of you that have them crossed bat for Bricon

 

Please tell me is UnivesBE and Unives1.7 the same operating system and will work with the same software this is a simple question, so a straight yes or no will do

[expat1]

Hi Jack

As you seem to know everthing there is to know about ETS perhaps you will put me right on this

In Germany Fanciers can only belong to One Club, In that club that say you yourself want to join, use Unikon. Good' All the club then use unikon and have a Unikon Master so everything works well. But say at the end of the Year You'Jack do not like that club and want to move over to another club this club uses Bricon . This means you have to sell your Unikon and Buy Bricon Because the Whole of the Club uses Bricon and a Bricon Master. So you get my drift

Plus in Germany there are no true Nationals only what the fanciers call them that

The Only other Racing the Germans can compete in is International races

Much the same for Holland There is Software Done By combustang which works over in Holland to 95% to bring all clocks to work in Co, I am sure i have this right i will think of the Proper Name and let you Know

Now in Belgium at the beginning of the Year Every Clock Company have to Produce One Clock or Clocks if they have more than one Like Bricon and Unikon Plus One Master. All Clocks must work compatable with each and every clock and Master, But remember it is only one they have to produce, So in Essence we can say that all Clocks in Belgium Are Compatable and work okay with each other. They Do NOT. and it is a matter of tweaking the software but some ets comanies do not want it plus it will cost them more money. I can tell you one of the Major ETS companies was up for sale a year or so ago Not Bricon i may add, But they changed there mind after the news got out that it was to be sold in England And i will not mention which one it was

This is why i said the way for the RPRA is to make sure each and every Clock and Master work fully with each other, Surely the best way to go for the English Racing.better for you the fancier, better for the secs better for everyone

Fanciers in England will buy there own choice of Clock as you have done so lets say in your club you have Four different makes of Clock. Are you going to have Four differnt Club Masters which work differntly to each other. Then Your Fed Are they going to be able to cater for all makes of Masters Then the National Markings are they going to cater for every type of Master. This is what i am getting at. Now I have said all i can We will now wait until Young Bird Racing starts in July or sooner at the end of the racing season we will see if i have told you right or wrong. If i am Wrong i will be the first to admit it So Time will tell

Steve

[Pompey Mick]

Perhaps we could get a table of comparisons for each system and tick the boxes.

What ETS systems will the master work with,

What rings will it read,

how do you get, say, a Bricon master to read a Unikon pocket clock,

do we need adaptor leads or connectors.

Are the rings re-useable

 

Is Unikon the only system approved in Scotland?

[Charlie]

Pompey,

 

Other systems are approved in Scotland. I 2nd that, we need a comparison table of all the systems.

 

I have looked at all the systems to date, and for me UNIKON is the only one that really stands out from the crowd.  I can’t be doing with a fiddly connector every time I need to attach the clock to the pads. That’s got to spell trouble, either money or lost races. UNIKON’s pocket clock is the only one I know with no connectors – this has to be more reliable in the long run. Saving money and the race!

 

As for compatibility with Univers 1.7, UNIKONs universal club system is far simpler to use that the Bricon club master (So this puts to bed any idea that the BE was was better for the UK), certainly UNIKONs answer will make clock setters lives easy, regardless of the ETS Clock.  I was told that UNIKON developed this for the UK flyer (Not sure what they are really saying by keeping it simple!)  Nevertheless, its free should only one member in a club start with UNIKON, they also include a free radio clock.

 

I was also looking into the ring side of things to try and learn more.

 

Charlie

[expat1]

Hi Charlie

You Think so. Time will tell

expat1

[me]

I can remember when people used to spend lots of time discussing their "cracking wee blue pied hens" or whatever was their favourite bird.

 

Happy days.

[ALF]

I can remember when people used to spend lots of time discussing their "cracking wee blue pied hens" or whatever was their favourite bird.

 

Happy days.

 

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