ets v old clocks

[Guest karl adams]

has ets system put a split in some clubs as ive been told that there is going to be 2 different times on the fed  1 for ets and 1 for other clocks like stb ect and now ets as the go ahead is this y a lot of clubs are shortning ther radias

[Guest shadow]

yes it has split onr of the clubs that I flew half have ets and the rest still use clocks and it causes lots of aggro

[barlbymark]

yeah dont think i will race against ets i was going to get rid of all my birds but going to keep them for my personal injoyment, after all its all you get from them these days no more big prize money or trophies like there was years ago.

[Guest casbri]

i wont race if ets comes into our club

[Roland]

Yep another bias slant 'ets  v  old clocks ' eh!

No wonder some are peeved big time with the Pro Et brigade ... and just look at the Unikon etc. home pages spouting out at their top of the voices about how much you gain over the manual clockers and the overall effects of both!

[Back garden fancier]

The fact is good birds and good fanciers win races, not clocks! The same people who always win will still always win. ETS will not turn losers into winners.

[Ronnie]

The fact is good birds and good fanciers win races, not clocks! The same people who always win will still always win. ETS will not turn losers into winners.

 

Not even if your losing by a few yard's?

 

At the end of the day ets is here you just gotta get on with it.

 

[crazy pigeon boy]

The fact is good birds and good fanciers win races, not clocks! The same people who always win will still always win. ETS will not turn losers into winners.

 

i totally agree mate well said it's the birds not the clock and as the saying goes you cant clock a bird in till you get one back  

[Guest Paulo]

ETS another nail in the coffin for pigeon racing, the corn prices are mad as well went to the dealers today and got my supplies for pairing the stock birds up:-

 

2 bags of bamfords breed and wean

 

1 bag of red band

 

1 bottle of gemphanax

 

1 bottle of coxoid

 

1 packet of canker tablets

 

1 tub of gem maxtrix

 

5 nest bowls as am a few short

 

2 bundles of baccy stalks

 

Bill came to £100.00

 

Was expecting a lot because of the medication anyway but still a working mans sport eh

 

I reckon if you calculated how much money you blew on corn, medication and fuel and clubs fees etc you'd never keep a pigeon again

 

between pigeons and women you'll never have no money my dad told me last year when I started and he's right.

 

How much does an ets system cost? Hope some of the oldtimers are on good pensions especially as a lot of clubs like ours got t3's through the awards for all programme I certainly won't be upgrading can't afford it

[REDCHEQHEN]

How much does an ets system cost? Hope some of the oldtimers are on good pensions especially as a lot of clubs like ours got t3's through the awards for all programme I certainly won't be upgrading can't afford it

 

There was a price comparison on another site - and the system cost between £625 and £675 - with 50 rings included from the various manufacturers

 

 

[ransom50]

in another couple of years it will,bye arnt them ets the dogs b........s ,lighten up people tis here to stay,its called goin with the times, :P

[ALF]

TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY COULD NEVER AFFORD AN ETS SYSTEM GET YOUR CLUB TO APPLY FOR AN "AWARDS FOR ALL" GRANT IT WORKED FOR OUR CLUB 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[Simeon Turner]

Don't really have a problem with ETS.

 

BUT - wouldn't want to be the only member in the club with it.

 

BUT - If someone wanted to use it in a club that I fly in I wouldn't object, afterall they have to get the birds back first before clocking them   ;)

[wullie semple]

once you use ets you will not want to use a clock again but at the end of the day if the birds not there your ets is no good to you happy ets racing 2008

[Guest]

The fact is good birds and good fanciers win races, not clocks! The same people who always win will still always win. ETS will not turn losers into winners.

 

ets will not turn losers into winners.but will turn winners into slightly better winners in the sense that .if u had ets on ur cot,u sent half ets half normal clock....the two birds went through the trap same time...bang ets clocked....hang on...tum te tum te ta...tum te tum te ta,,bang there goes the clock with the thimble just put init.maybe 15-20 secs?

do u call that fair?...no good saying it wont make the bird get to the cot faster...wot about when it enters the cot?....i think there is a difference. im not bothered wot clock system the others are using ...and im not anti ets..cos im not bothered who i race against or wot clock i race against...but please have it fair.

[THE PRIEST]

Im secretary for my club and looking through some of the results over the last couple of seasons about 5 races could of been affected if E T S and old clocks were used as the results were very close on occasion it was down to a decimal point.

Im neither for or against E T S but if club results can be affected makes you wonder about fed results. Incidently at the moment none of our members have ETS.

[wullie semple]

it will only be amatter of time to some of your members get them

[Roland]

The fact is good birds and good fanciers win races, not clocks! The same people who always win will still always win. ETS will not turn losers into winners.

 

True matey ... but a little more lee - way to the elbow of the more forunate eh!

And when the not so good flyer - such as myself say- does hapen tp, just get a good one, it won't be yonks in front, and the fact is that a ET - by that better fancier mostly - may well actually have his bird a quarter of a mile behind, and then I - Like many others with be robbed, and EVERY week nigh, the manual clocker will lose out places to a better, and may i state a far superior, clocking device, and YES they won't be flying ay faster!

[retired]

I have not used the ETS yet but spent a lot of time looking at all the systems and will be introducing mine shortly it is ordered just waiting for my agent to get back off holiday.

 

I am 100 for the ETS coming into the sport here, why should we sit back behind the continentals just because tom and Dick think its unfair....for F**ks sake its not the ETS that will be doing the winning its the fancier and the birds.

 

I dont doubt the ETS offers slight advantages on some aspects (eg not scaring young birds whilst clocking)but bloody hell if you want it get it if you dont simple dont bother but dont make threats about leaving the sport if it comes in as lets face very few will leave the sport due to its introduction and most of those that do pack in blaming it i feel are just using the ETS as an excuse to call it a day.

[Lennut Tar]

As a bit of an outsider here, ;) I've read many posts on this issue on different sites etc, & no offence to anyone. But I find it quite amusing in it's own funny way. When one looks at the sport in general, none of us here where ever we live,  play on a level playing field you could say. "Example" wind, distance, money, position, weather short versus long, the list goes on on, & as many I know here are dead set against the electronic timing system's, they are just part of the future & for the many flyers that are excepting them for what they are, they see it as a natural advancement for the sport. "Good or bad," only time will tell.

Just think back in time, before trains, planes & transporters as an example as they are today etc, in our sport to what they were. In most situations, at all levels of change/advancement there has always been friction between different groups, depending on which side one wishes to sit.

Myself, I fly in a club, which is half & half & even in the centre that I fly in which is the same, not at any time have I ever heard, or seen any friction between between the haves & the have not's as I put it. We just get on & enjoy the sport for what it is. A TERRIFIC SPORT/HOBBY (we won't debate that issue now) there are far to many other things/issues to worry about in the world we live today.

I've only ever used one clock in 50 years of flying, & with a bit of luck I might get another 50 years out of it, but rest assured what ever the future holds an EC will never stop me from shaking the winners hand on race day, even if there is an advantage to those that use them, as small as it is when you really think about it.  

Enjoy.

  

[Roland]

I have not used the ETS yet but spent a lot of time looking at all the systems and will be introducing mine shortly it is ordered just waiting for my agent to get back off holiday.

 

I am 100 for the ETS coming into the sport here, why should we sit back behind the continentals just because tom and Dick think its unfair....for F**ks sake its not the ETS that will be doing the winning its the fancier and the birds.

 

I dont doubt the ETS offers slight advantages on some aspects (eg not scaring young birds whilst clocking)but bloody hell if you want it get it if you dont simple dont bother but dont make threats about leaving the sport if it comes in as lets face very few will leave the sport due to its introduction and most of those that do pack in blaming it i feel are just using the ETS as an excuse to call it a day.

 

Sorry Vallance you post is axactly like the last 10 years, andvery bias and slanted at that like all pro ET brigade.

But on every single aspect well people have LEFT through a new law / or any king of unlevel pllaying field the same ole tripe is dished out!

Fancier DO and have LEFT THROUGH THE VERY REASON THEY SAY THE DO AND HAVE, AND if that don't sit right with you, then by all means abide by the facts, and just accept. Like EY's it did / does and will have happen so please pretend to bury your head, for like everyone else that wants one, you can and will live with that.... but don't spout slanted untruths .

 

[Guest Paulo]

Problem is with ETS its being introduced by the manufactors forming an unholy alliance with the RPRA. Its like the NEHU up here there wasn't even a vote on it. All of our club is dead against it. Problem is with this sport its dying off through lack of members and its sheer expense why introduce something that increases the expense even more.

 

Too many people trying to make a quick buck in this sport be it selling stupid priced pigeons or products or timing system

[THE PRIEST]

Problem is with ETS its being introduced by the manufactors forming an unholy alliance with the RPRA. Its like the NEHU up here there wasn't even a vote on it. All of our club is dead against it. Problem is with this sport its dying off through lack of members and its sheer expense why introduce something that increases the expense even more.

 

Too many people trying to make a quick buck in this sport be it selling stupid priced pigeons or products or timing system

 

Agree The NEHU just put this ETS straight in without consulting the members. T he biggest mistake over ETS seems to be the way it has been introduced without any say from the members. On reading proposals one fed in the west durham put forward a proposal to ban ETS and we were told not to even consider this proposal as it cannot be banned.As i have said before i am neither for or against the system but it should be put to the members before being decided by the unions.

[Guest Paulo]

 

Agree The NEHU just put this ETS straight in without consulting the members. T he biggest mistake over ETS seems to be the way it has been introduced without any say from the members. On reading proposals one fed in the west durham put forward a proposal to ban ETS and we were told not to even consider this proposal as it cannot be banned.As i have said before i am neither for or against the system but it should be put to the members before being decided by the unions.

 

Thats the thing if it was voted on and it won the vote fair and square fair enough but it seems to be very undemocratic the way it is being brought in. This also leaves both the RPRA and the NEHU wide open to allegations I mean its no wide stretch of the imagation to think that maybe the ETS companies could be bribing officals etc. Of course I'm sure that this isn't the case myself but you can easily imagine people coming up with these theories and it creates an atmosphere of distrust.

 

I mean most people like to be competative so if your neigbour was racing against you on the ETS you'd have to get it really and the ETS companies realise this. One club in the WDA has already used Awards money to buy ETS and the NEHU supposely hasn't approved a system yet would be quite amusing if they didn't approve the system they had brought.

 

I'm in the WDA as well and a lot of fliers here are dead against especially as a lot of clubs have already had awards for all funding and brought new clocks with the money.

 

I'm only 26 and by no means a luddite but personally I don't agree with ETS for sporting reasons and cost reasons. If a vote was carried out in the NEHU and ETS accepted than fair play but until this happens it shouldn't just be railroaded in.

 

Also if hackers can hack into banking systems and commit sosphicated crimes and clone credit cards and phones can you honestly expect the ETS System not to have security issues whats going to stop people from cheating! At least with a clocka race rubber has to be present within the system.

[barlbymark]

well its not the results im worried about i got a young family and cant aford the forever riseing costs of pigeon racing. plus fuel is on its way up again that meens the cost of feed for the birds,and all other gen every day needs of my family will be going up. but like i said i will keep my birds for my own pleasure and not race untill my family has flown the nest and it may be a little easyer for me to aford then,