well i changed my mind about packing in the birds i decided i would miss them to much as i have had them all my life.but i see that people on here havnt changed buy the remark made above, i came back here hopeing that i could make a fresh start. but no way by the look of things, so as i said above i would miss my birds so i not packing them in but i would not miss people like this on here so i packinhg in this forum for good this time.sorry to all that have been nice take care,