SNFC/UNC

[Blue Tooner]

Just had a conversation with a fancier who is of the opinion that it would benefit the pigeons and the SNFC to go with the UNC to one or more of their channel races. Could members give their views on this and the pros and cons.

Cheers.

[Taylorsloft]

yes i agree with that bigger pull up the road .worth a try anyway

[frank-123]

to much of a pull to the east

[rednyellow]

to much of a pull to the east

 

yes got to agree.

[Guest 67ghirl]

I believe this has been done before to Chenoise?

Also many Moons ago in the 60/70's.

Maybe others can remember more clearly!

[sammy]

I believe this has been done before to Chenoise?

Also many Moons ago in the 60/70's.

Maybe others can remember more clearly!

 

clockie will remember ;D ;D

[rednyellow]

I believe this has been done before to Chenoise?

Also many Moons ago in the 60/70's.

Maybe others can remember more clearly!

 

yes chenoise 2002, think maybe the usher/vaux brewery races in the mid 70s are what you are thinking of. :)

[Guest 67ghirl]

That's correct.

Peter virtue was one of the winners.

[frank-123]

going with another organisation is a good idea maybe the nfc would be fairer to the whole of scotland

i know the wind direction has a big say on the line the birds take home

 

[ken]

try the west durham amal these birds will fly the same as most scotch birds same line of flight

[andy]

try the west durham amal these birds will fly the same as most scotch birds same line of flight

yes, more suited to the WDA. Not sure the Solway lads would be to keen.

 

[alex wight]

Maybe a bit niave here, but the word "drag" is often used when talking about liberations. Would it not be a bit unfair to the shorter distance fliers having the "drag" coming to scotland. I personaly think if the bird is worth its salt its going to want to come home and not follow others. As for winds deciding the race, thats part and partial of racing and there is nothing we can do about it. I look at Mr Wilcox from Peterhead when he won the Alencon national flying 631 miles, to see that this bird didnt get dragged anywhere, and that was 130miles approx more than the south west boys (Kirkpatrick Fleming). My point is, does the "drag" realy effect the good birds? me personaly, young birds yes, old birds, mm not too sure.

[ALF]

I think the drag definately comes into affect if you are in the west section of the National clubs as in the same Alencon race there was'nt a west pigeon in the 1st 50 in the open

[frank-123]

its easier to race up the east coast because the wind is normally in a westerly direction a tired bird having flown over 500 miles to get to kelso

has a final leg straight into the wind

as for national winners tell me how many have won in the west side of scotland when the wind has been a west wind (gareth will know)

 

 

 

[alex wight]

Here in Fife we look for the birds dropping into Gretna area ect, then give them 2 hours to be in with a chance. Depending on the wind off course, but with the young bird national at the weekend, we were expecting them into the borders (east), first. As it happens, the fife boys had a great race, but where was the drag into the borders, it didnt make sense. Its like they have been out in the water then came back in again hitting Fife just at the right places. I think its all ifs and buts, it looks good on paper to try something different, but when put into practice, thats when you get your hindsight fanciers coming to slate it as a bad idea. I do think its a great idea to get as much northern feds/nationals to go to the same race point and liberate st the same time, thus having a northern race? As ive said before in Fife we have 2 feds and in scotland we have 2 nationals, we all go to the same point and liberate at different times, where is the sense in that. I think its high time we looked after our birds a little better than we are at the moment (only an opinion).

[VAGIN]

Maybe the diffrence between the east and west sections / the east section treat the national as a club race and turn up with baskets full of birds > Check the birdage Mind you the North section who send less birds come out on top It must be quality not quantity

[alex wight]

Who won the young bird national vagin? so what your realy saying that the east doesnt send quality birds? its not all about numbers at all, if you have the birds to fly why not fly them? There is always going to be big team fliers wherever you go and that is their perogative. If its quality that was sent where were the rest in Scotland. You know and i know there is a lot of hurdles to overcome when in a race, ie holdovers, weather, new liberation point, clashing, wires the list goes on. you never actually gave an answer to the thread vagin, you just took the oportunity to take a pop at whoever was in line, and that was the east. Theres very good fliers in the west and i take my hat off to them when they do well in races, but thats me.

[Guest]

its easier to race up the east coast because the wind is normally in a westerly direction a tired bird having flown over 500 miles to get to kelso

has a final leg straight into the wind

as for national winners tell me how many have won in the west side of scotland when the wind has been a west wind (gareth will know)

 

 

 

how many times the national been won north of the tay if its that easy bart?

[frank-123]

i said easier to race up the east coast i said never mentioned anything about norrth of the tay

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I am not someone who believes in the drag of pigeons especially from 500 miles, but i would say 95 times out of 100 the result is determined by the location of the loft which takes into account the wind and also the terrain that the pigeons have to fly through to reach there destination.

 

cheers

Gareth

[Guest]

i said easier to race up the east coast i said never mentioned anything about norrth of the tay

 

(kewl)move hoose

[frank-123]

so what would you think of going with the unc gareth

 

just to make plain to anybody who thinks i think it easy you don't have easy 500 mile races but east is easier most times

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

its easier to race up the east coast because the wind is normally in a westerly direction a tired bird having flown over 500 miles to get to kelso

has a final leg straight into the wind

as for national winners tell me how many have won in the west side of scotland when the wind has been a west wind (gareth will know)

 

 

 

Frank you are right about the west in the wind as i cannot remember any SNFC winning pigeon in the west with a west wind, when looking back the records of the SNFC over the last 25 years you have had 3 or 4 great fanciers win the National into west and these have been vel's of 1900 and above and 600 vel's and below.

 

A great performance which should always be remembered is that of Stuart Mullens pigeon when it won the SNRPC into the west of the country this can only be described as being a miracle that flew well through the hours of darkness to reach it's destination and become a champion.

 

Cheers

Gareth

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

so what would you think of going with the unc gareth

 

just to make plain to anybody who thinks i think it easy you don't have easy 500 mile races but east is easier most times

 

 

Would rather the national go with someone who races on the same line of flight as ourselves such as Cumbria or Lancashire as these organisations liberate from the same racepoints as the SNFC. But it would not deter me from sending if we were to go with the UNC but this would mean changing from the traditional side of France to the east side of France for joint libs.

 

Would add that racing from west France is more of a test for a pigeon to the whole of Scotland than racing from the east of France.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

 

[Chris Little]

A couple of good posts there from the West Section lads and I agree fully with them.

 

Stuart Mullen's bird was the best performance in Scotland this year.

 

I would like to see both Scottish nationals combining together and take things from there. In terms of joint convoying I would prefer the North West of England organisations as our racepoints tend to be similiar.