SNFC /RPRA

[johno]

bigger membership larger birdage means just that. numbers in no way reflect the quality of the contents of the baskets. this implies competion is totally dependant on quality, nothing else but quality.

[rembrant2coo]

 

No Harry i mean quality in depth which means although the both organisations have quality which i would not dispute, the SNFC have the far larger membership and birdage which in turns means stronger competition.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

PS Harry you have lost me with your quote about fed and money???? :-/ :-/ :-/ what that has to do with thread god knows.

 

well it was stated that we have no money in the east , and in your case your fed is a lot tronger for pools as is your west sect sorry for misleadingyou

[Guest IB]

" in what democracy does a minority vote win the day gareth?

 

If you do a Google search using 'club constitution 2/3rds vote' as keywords, you will find that there are many clubs with this requirement in their agreed constitutions - agreed by members that is.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

"Done wrong !! you walked out of the greatest distance club in Scotland" and ignored democracy. three inland nationals less than four hundred miles would suggest this comment is somewhat off the wall. maybe in more ways than one?  in what democracy does a minority vote win the day gareth?

 

Minority vote has protected all organisations in western Europe against mob rule for many many years and hopefully will continue to do so.

 

3 inland Nationals not happy with it but at the end of the day that's democracy for you.

 

 

 

[johno]

are you disagreeing with your own posts now gareth.

[rembrant2coo]

 

well it was stated that we have no money in the east , and in your case your fed is a lot tronger for pools as is your west sect sorry for misleadingyou

 

And yes we are a younger organisation than yours and it will grow , as did the midland nat and the B.I.C.C.  and a lot of other org to name just a few time will tell , i was once

one of you and a very proud one , but alas the dead wood has to be removed at 2 places

and i could never see that happen in my day sorry

[jimmy white]

bigger membership larger birdage means just that. numbers in no way reflect the quality of the contents of the baskets. this implies competion is totally dependant on quality, nothing else but quality.

 

if a club sends 200 birds another 2000 birds ,which is the best winner,?,the , truth is you cant,,,,,the only way to tell the true quality of a pigeon is if all birds went together, then the winner would be the best quality ,,surely

[Taylorsloft]

 

Minority vote has protected all organisations in western Europe against mob rule for many many years and hopefully will continue to do so.

 

3 inland Nationals not happy with it but at the end of the day that's democracy for you.

 

 

i will 2nd that

 

[johno]

ib i am not asking about constitutions i am responding to democracy.

[Guest]

was it that same democracy that barred your  fed pres. from attending meetings gareth

[hotrod]

ok harry i respect your opinion

i have stated before your club is well run but its has its problems as well i am sure you would agree

 

 

 

what problems do we have then bart? :-/

[johno]

so you are saying jimmy that the better bird always flies against the greatest number of entries. if we take this to its logical conclusion the 50 mile winners on the continent are better birds than the 700 mile winners competing against fewer birds. i do not think your conclusion will get much backing in dooman land.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

why would we stay, when we want nothing to do with the s.h.u., who were the ruling body, and don,t we have that freedom to do what we wish, and i understand perfectly but you know very well why we all feel about the great S.H.U. now gareth very same principals as your friend, who was and in a lot of peoples minds being naughty , and which you were a fancier who thought he was up to something,and are still waiting on justice taking place

like the other thing itwill be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about  and don,t start about democracy please if it was that we would,nt be in this position           cheers

 

 

SHU agreed it's not perfect but it has to be changed from within and not by running away and forming new clubs.

Hopefully Harry It will not be brushed under the carpet and Justice will be done whatever that maybe, as for been naughty !!!  no as i would do the same thing 100 times out of 100 wether you like it or not.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

 

 

 

[hotrod]

Gareth im sorry but we did nothing wrong .The SNFC rule requires all members to be members of the SHU .So with the proposal to change the rule being beaten the fanciers left the meeting as we COULD,NT stay as we were not then ellegible to be their .SO tell me how we were wrong? IT would have been wrong for us to stay.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Gareth im sorry but we did nothing wrong .The SNFC rule requires all members to be members of the SHU .So with the proposal to change the rule being beaten the fanciers left the meeting as we COULD,NT stay as we were not then ellegible to be their .SO tell me how we were wrong? IT would have been wrong for us to stay.

 

There has been many fanciers over the years in Scotland that have been members of the RPRA and the only reason for this was so they could send to Pau with the NFC etc if they decided to do so with full fee required, perhaps this is the approach that could have been taken when it came to National racing, with your own fed or local club using the RPRA for it's day to day business thus limiting your dealings/ grievances with the SHU.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

 

 

 

[jimmy white]

so you are saying jimmy that the better bird always flies against the greatest number of entries. if we take this to its logical conclusion the 50 mile winners on the continent are better birds than the 700 mile winners competing against fewer birds. i do not think your conclusion will get much backing in dooman land.

 

no johno,, i think youve taken my post wrongly ,, i am saying with two different races , we would have two different winners ,, both great birds ,, but which one would be better ,,,,,impossible to tell, unless all raced together ,, then there is one winner,the best one

[Guest IB]

ib i am not asking about constitutions i am responding to democracy.

 

I think you may be taking an overly narrow view of what 'democracy' means.

 

If you are implying democracy has one meaning only - simple majority vote wins - it clearly doesn't, otherwise Proportional representation must also be undemocratic.

 

The democracy we are talking about in this thread concerns members of a club, the rules they have formulated for governing the club's affairs, and agreed by the members.

 

 

 

 

 

[frank-123]

 

what problems do we have then bart? :-/

 

     Messac Race flown on 5th July 2008

                                                      53 Members sent 173 Birds. Liberated at 6.25am on Saturday 5th July

                                                                                      Into a light South West wind

i would say that's a problem 173 birds sent to a national race and the way things are going the birdage will drop year on year

unless you can attract new members to replace the one's who have given up or died

your pools and prize money for your gold cup race paid £9000 the snfc paid £34,000 so you are not going to get many from the snfc

 

all well and good just now but think ahead

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

fair play regarding money bart but i think most people think about the 1st open pos before any money thats just a bonus well thats the way i think anyway but regarding the longest race the snfc dont send alot of birds to their race either bart if you take the membership totals our numbers were prob.up on the other races how many did the snfc send the true no,s ?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

fair play regarding money bart but i think most people think about the 1st open pos before any money thats just a bonus well thats the way i think anyway but regarding the longest race the snfc dont send alot of birds to their race either bart if you take the membership totals our numbers were prob.up on the other races how many did the snfc send the true no,s ?

 

Frank i  think you missed the point that Bart was making which was "Wake up and smell the coffee" there is need or room for 2 nationals.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

 

[Novice]

 

     Messac Race flown on 5th July 2008

                                                      53 Members sent 173 Birds. Liberated at 6.25am on Saturday 5th July

                                                                                      Into a light South West wind

i would say that's a problem 173 birds sent to a national race and the way things are going the birdage will drop year on year

unless you can attract new members to replace the one's who have given up or died

your pools and prize money for your gold cup race paid £9000 the snfc paid £34,000 so you are not going to get many from the snfc

 

all well and good just now but think ahead

 

the money aspect is unimportant----The position is all important and we all know that pigeons in a small convoy need to work hard and use all their experience to come home never mind come to the front.

I think the big plus for SNRPC members is peace of mind and fellowship.

We may need to donate more and work to support this but it's well worth the effort.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

no you are missing the point we cant become members untill the snfc shake off the shu!!!!!!! gareth

[Guest bigda]

we are  going to bring the too clubs down  in Scotland, the snrpc @ snfc  cant come together now, as its  a big heed wee heed  delegates  thing,   a bit like the dog in the manger the  snfc have  the  upper hand, as was first  club,  and old traditions  if any way it can come together its only through transportation,  to the same race  point, the good thing about that is the velocity  between the too clubs   but the down side could be the  pools  and prize moneys, then i hear some say the  don't  do it for pools but moan at the cost to send         ,  but a bit of  pool money  comes in handy for you  to be able  to keep your cost  down  in the winter, and therefor be able to  stick at the  racing game  a bit longer and buy a new stock bird  to beat  the section that they are in, not pooling birds in the nationals is in my opinion

dumb as it lets every one know 1 that  you have no faith in your birds, and 2   your  management is also  crap as you would send any bird  to distances  and it would not bother you  if it went down,  competition is  what its all about  not  delegates and head honchos

 

somethings  will never change we are, they are, not in it just for the money :X :X :X ;D ;D ;D

[frank-123]

I have heard that the snfc committee has put a recomendation to open the membership up to any other union is this true and what are your thoughts on this

 

 

no you are missing the point we cant become members untill the snfc shake off the shu!!!!!!! gareth

thought they were trying frankdooman

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

no you are missing the point we cant become members untill the snfc shake off the shu!!!!!!! gareth

 

Yes Frank years have now gone by and many fanceirs that voted against the change of rule will now change their mind because they will do whats best for the sport as a whole as in 2005, which might well be not having to be a member of the SHU but to use this thread as you have done nothing wrong is not going to help in your quest for the rule change.

 

Takes two to tango.