SNFC /RPRA

[Guest]

bart i agree with most of your points but i would like to point out a very important point i think you are missing regarding costs the snrpc are still making money not losing it we have a great situation with the big nat. clubs in england that allows us to transport our birds with them at greatly reduced costs allowing every race to be cost efficient the only reason we dont take that route is because the members want to race on there own for our gold medal race and given the fantistic transport avaiable to us even that doesnt cost us an arm and a leg and our birds travel to every race in state of the ark transport so the costs for the snfc might be a big problem but not for the snrpc that doesnt mean we shouldnt talk but if we were totaly open some are hiding behind the (we need a joint nat) situation for different reasons

[frank-123]

 

AND ENOCH POWELL TOLD THE GOVERNMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN , AND HE WAS RIGHT AND LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING

 

to true

 

and many people said men should sort the differences like men

[naedoos]

bart i agree with most of your points but i would like to point out a very important point i think you are missing regarding costs the snrpc are still making money not losing it we have a great situation with the big nat. clubs in england that allows us to transport our birds with them at greatly reduced costs allowing every race to be cost efficient the only reason we dont take that route is because the members want to race on there own for our gold medal race and given the fantistic transport avaiable to us even that doesnt cost us an arm and a leg and our birds travel to every race in state of the ark transport so the costs for the snfc might be a big problem but not for the snrpc that doesnt mean we shouldnt talk but if we were totaly open some are hiding behind the (we need a joint nat) situation for different reasons

 

what's your reason frank?

[Guest]

yes i would like to compete against the whole of scotland as far as racing my birds and i am proud to have been part of both commitees that worked very/very hard to put £150k in the snfc bank in fact i would say 1 of the best commitees the snfc ever had led by jim o,hara a very strong man who exepted nothing less than perfection but to get that respect he would dig in and help i was also very much involved in the snrpc whitch in case every doesnt know was the same commitee that has taken the snrpc to the level they are at today in a very short space of time i think the results are there to see for any one who wants to open their eyes and look

[Fair Play]

If my memory serves me right was there not a time when the NEHU were not recognised by the RPRA I think the issue was resolved not so many years ago so - Never say Never

[DOVEScot]

 

That's what we will have if these guys get everything they want and the SNRPC folds :-/

 

Naw, you just accept or at least consider change on all sides so things can move forward, without that then it is stale mate :-/

 

It is very simple to draw up but the only thing that stops it is personalities holding it back

 

Although being new to pigeon politics I am not new to sports politics. This is mirrored in quite a few sports and organisations and almost an exact reflection of what happened in Scottish Judo which I was part of being the executive rep for Fife, Tayside and Central

This may be boring but true

There used to be The Scottish Judo Union and they all fell out and in fact it became news headlines because it became a punch up at one of the main events where the pipe bands were there to play and the pics in the papers were of pipers busby's strewn all over the place

There then became the breakaways The Scottish judo Federation and The Scottish Judo Association and never the twain would meet

Mirrored in the fact that that it split Scottish competitors who were not interested in the politics just wanted to enter competitions and become true Scottish champions but as Scotland was not big enough the hiring of halls or venues were put to task as the entries were split. Instead of fighting at Meadowbank or the Kelvin hall we were holding events in community or sports centres

Members decided to vote with their feet and told the powers at be they were going to enter both types of event and soon it sorted it's self out although the diehards never stopped bickering in the background the one that offered the best service "The Scottish Judo Federation" now "Judo Scotland" is the one and only body accepted by Sports Scotland where you are true Scottish champions fighting for your place in The British Nationals to be part of Team Britain at the Olympics

 

I think we need the same type of structure built to suit pigeon racing, it seems a lot of people from reading the posts are not happy with most of the governing body committees that are in place at the moment, whether it be the RPRA or SHU :-/

[Guest]

correct fair play i was told by some clever guys in order to solve a problem you 1st have to know what that problem is so lets strip away all the who done what and we can do/have this stuff the problem as far as i can see is one thing we have a great no of fanciers who,s lofts are in scotland do not/will not be members of the shu (please lets not go back to the why,s or where fors) thats a fact for what ever reason and wont change but the sad thing that because of the current ruling in the snfc they can not be members, so sort the monopoly with a single union and problem solved but i think its wrong to only half do it that cant work it needs to be completly open with rules that cover ALL UNION MEMBERS

[alex wight]

I think its very sad that Scotland is in this predicament. For what is see, and looking to the future on this, the 2 nationals will be forced to be no more. Financially, there will come a time,  because of dwindling numbers, that the 2 nationals will find it impossible to run. By that time it will be too late, for the future of the sport something has to be done now. I see myself being in the sport for a long time to come, but i will not stand by, and abide by rules, that are ultimately going to kill the sport. Because of this stand off with the 2 nationals, there is only one direction that the both are heading, down. As said ,united we stand united we fall, 1 national will go down, but 2 will go down twice as quick. I ask the members of both nationals to come to a compromise for the future of our sport, dont be remembered as one of the ones responsible for the demise of scottish pigeon racing . alex.

[Fair Play]

And here was me thinking this was the United Kingdom after all we still send MPs South of the Border do you think there will be no conflict of interests there and how do they resolve it, they talk about it,may not always successful but in the words of someone else "If you are marching you are not Fighting"

[rembrant2coo]

I think its very sad that Scotland is in this predicament. For what is see, and looking to the future on this, the 2 nationals will be forced to be no more. Financially, there will come a time,  because of dwindling numbers, that the 2 nationals will find it impossible to run. By that time it will be too late, for the future of the sport something has to be done now. I see myself being in the sport for a long time to come, but i will not stand by, and abide by rules, that are ultimately going to kill the sport. Because of this stand off with the 2 nationals, there is only one direction that the both are heading, down. As said ,united we stand united we fall, 1 national will go down, but 2 will go down twice as quick. I ask the members of both nationals to come to a compromise for the future of our sport, dont be remembered as one of the ones responsible for the demise of scottish pigeon racing . alex.

 

 

You are forgetting alex its not about the 2 nationals ,And i wish the fanciers can see the problem all a long is the the people who like to govern everything and i,m going back i know but it is true why they can,t let the two nat alone and look after there own and get there house in order first is beyond believe i know you have said in the past you don,t know what it was all about find out and you will not be surprised

 

[alex wight]

I know Harry, i,m just concerned about my future in the sport, just wish it was fixable, and hope it is/does, alex

[Fair Play]

And here was me thinking this was the United Kingdom after all we still send MPs South of the Border do you think there will be no conflict of interests there

[rembrant2coo]

And here was me thinking this was the United Kingdom after all we still send MPs South of the Border do you think there will be no conflict of interests there

 

Ithink there is still aplenty

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

as for folding i don,t think so its well run in good financial state and forward thinking as some of the members on here have already said , a very fresh outlook on every aspect of the pigeon racing .

 

Might well be forward thinking Harry which I commend but the one thing it does not have is the quality of depth of members that the SNFC has which is why this thread was started which was to give all the members in Scotland the best chance to compete against each other.

 

Cheers

Gareth

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Have stood back and watched this thread for the last week and what has happened is that some SNRPC fanciers that had shown a certain neutrality are now shown there true colours which is "that they are under the impression that they have done nothing wrong", if that were to continue I have a feeling that nothing will change for the foreseeable future which would be really disappointing for the sport in Scotland.

 

cheers

Gareth

[rembrant2coo]

Have stood back and watched this thread for the last week and what has happened is that some SNRPC fanciers that had shown a certain neutrality are now shown there true colours which is "that they are under the impression that they have done nothing wrong", if that were to continue I have a feeling that nothing will change for the foreseeable future which would be really disappointing for the sport in Scotland.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

and what have we done wrong ,but start our own national and what i see is you  don,t like it because its not in running with the S.H.U. end of story

[rembrant2coo]

 

Might well be forward thinking Harry which I commend but the one thing it does not have is the quality of depth of members that the SNFC has which is why this thread was started which was to give all the members in Scotland the best chance to compete against each other.

 

Cheers

Gareth

 

Gareth you mean quantity hopefully, i think you will recognise that there,s still quality

in the s.n.r.p.c. in the members we have , andwill continue to have, T he money is obviously not there that has been pointed out , but money is not everything andyour fed is pretty geared up for that ,  and your west sect , we still are open to everybody and indeed will continue to be so

[Williedoo]

I have heard that the snfc committee has put a recomendation to open the membership up to any other union is this true and what are your thoughts on this

The snfc membership will decide this at the agm,and I hope it gets through as I dont give a jot about whats happened in the past.

 

[alex wight]

Williedoo, totally agree with you, and hope byegones will/can be byegones.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

and what have we done wrong ,but start our own national and what i see is you  don,t like it because its not in running with the S.H.U. end of story

 

Done wrong !! you walked out of the greatest distance club in Scotland and ignored democracy.

 

 

[Michael J Burden]

And here was me thinking this was the United Kingdom after all we still send MPs South of the Border do you think there will be no conflict of interests there

And we the English if we had a say would send them all back. The politicians I mean.

 

Where I live in the midlands no one thinks themself as being British. We are English just like the Scots are Scotish the Welsh, Welsh.

 

It is a pity that the Scotish fancy have broken into 2 factions. The trouble is that by joining both clubs nothing will change they will always remain 2 clubs.

 

It needs the best one to grow and the other to fade away which I doubt will ever happen.

 

[jimmy white]

Williedoo, totally agree with you, and hope byegones will/can be byegones.

 

in my opinion this would be the best  way forward ,,,,,and not go back the way  ,forgive and forget ,,but learn

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

Gareth you mean quantity hopefully, i think you will recognise that there,s still quality

in the s.n.r.p.c. in the members we have , andwill continue to have, T he money is obviously not there that has been pointed out , but money is not everything andyour fed is pretty geared up for that ,  and your west sect , we still are open to everybody and indeed will continue to be so

 

No Harry i mean quality in depth which means although the both organisations have quality which i would not dispute, the SNFC have the far larger membership and birdage which in turns means stronger competition.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

PS Harry you have lost me with your quote about fed and money???? :-/ :-/ :-/ what that has to do with thread god knows.

 

[johno]

"Done wrong !! you walked out of the greatest distance club in Scotland" and ignored democracy. three inland nationals less than four hundred miles would suggest this comment is somewhat off the wall. maybe in more ways than one?  in what democracy does a minority vote win the day gareth?

[rembrant2coo]

 

Done wrong !! you walked out of the greatest distance club in Scotland and ignored democracy.

 

 

why would we stay, when we want nothing to do with the s.h.u., who were the ruling body, and don,t we have that freedom to do what we wish, and i understand perfectly but you know very well why we all feel about the great S.H.U. now gareth very same principals as your friend, who was and in a lot of peoples minds being naughty , and which you were a fancier who thought he was up to something,and are still waiting on justice taking place

like the other thing itwill be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about  and don,t start about democracy please if it was that we would,nt be in this position           cheers