Guest bigda Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 do you still need to be approved or proposed, from midlands to lanarkshire or vise versa , as that is the hard part
hotboy Posted March 8, 2009 Author Report Posted March 8, 2009 hi homer 49 a was never a member of carluke and never will a just asked about it because a had an arguement with celtic/tiger 1 about flying in 2 feds he said there a lophole and he could fly in both
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Everyone seems to be forgetting that the rules of the likes of the lanarkshire and midland feds are ILLEGAL. "freedom of association" is enshrined in the law of the land, put it this way, if the lottery people were informed Hotboy I could see them asking a few clubs for their money back!! Get yourself a lawyer and you might just get some "compensation" as well!!
hotboy Posted March 8, 2009 Author Report Posted March 8, 2009 Everyone seems to be forgetting that the rules of the likes of the lanarkshire and midland feds are ILLEGAL. "freedom of association" is enshrined in the law of the land, put it this way, if the lottery people were informed Hotboy I could see them asking a few clubs for their money back!! Get yourself a lawyer and you might just get some "compensation" as well!! the club am in mate has never had a lottery grant
ALF Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 the club am in mate has never had a lottery grant Neither has the Lanarkshire fed
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Everyone seems to be forgetting that the rules of the likes of the lanarkshire and midland feds are ILLEGAL. "freedom of association" is enshrined in the law of the land, put it this way, if the lottery people were informed Hotboy I could see them asking a few clubs for their money back!! Get yourself a lawyer and you might just get some "compensation" as well!! dont think lanarkshire fed have had a grant from awards for all but many clubs have being new to the pigeon game i think it is a good rule which keeps people jumping from one fed to another and has kept lanarkshire as one of the strongest feds in scotland
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 dont think lanarkshire fed have had a grant from awards for all but many clubs have being new to the pigeon game i think it is a good rule which keeps people jumping from one fed to another and has kept lanarkshire as one of the strongest feds in scotland Does not really matter what you or "me" think Bart, the law is the law and individual clubs could still be asked for lottery money back and indeed Carluke club could be asked to pay compensation if the decision went in favour of the person who applied to join the club!
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=19 a rule in lanarkshire fed states you cannot be a member of another fed but you a free and welcome to join just pack in your membership of another fed
weecunny Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 a would say if the clubs or feds have had anything from the lottery grants they cant stop u flying in 2 clubs or feds
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=19 a rule in lanarkshire fed states you cannot be a member of another fed but you a free and welcome to join just pack in your membership of another fed Your missing the point here Bart , what if a member of Carluke club say, decided to join Kirkfieldbank, what would happen then?
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Your missing the point here Bart , what if a member of Carluke club say, decided to join Kirkfieldbank, what would happen then? he could no longer be a member of lanarkshire fed if he was joining a club outwith lanarkshire fed he would need to resign he new the rule when it was voted in and clearly tells you in the year book so why want to join two feds ? you could pick your races move from one fed to another giving both feds a lack of stability and finance
jimmy white Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i think many clubs/feds/unions etc should take a closer look at http://www.awardsforall.org.uk/docs/awardsforall_scotland_guide.pdf before making their own rules :-/
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i think many clubs/feds etc should take a closer look at http//://ww.awardsforallorg.uk/docs/awardsforall_scotland_guide.pdf before making their own rules :-/ with all due respect jimmy lanarkshire fed made the rule before the national lottery started and i sure the rpra changed a rule to allow there members to apply for a grant awards for all don't you give them a copy of your club constituion as lanarkshire fed have never had a grant the need not answer to awards for all
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 he could no longer be a member of lanarkshire fed if he was joining a club outwith lanarkshire fed he would need to resign he new the rule when it was voted in and clearly tells you in the year book so why want to join two feds ? you could pick your races move from one fed to another giving both feds a lack of stability and finance Exactly Bart and thats what makes this rule illegal. I emphasise again this is the law of the land, does not matter what you or "me" of the Lanarkshire fed think. IT''S THE LAW!
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 well if its the law show "me" an example of that law
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 well if its the law show "me" an example of that law Not quite sure what you mean Bart, but to try and make it simple, if you substitute becoming a "protestant" or a "trade unionist" for "joining a club that is a member of South Lanarkshire" you might get the point. All of the three examples above are the same in law. Thats just the way it is.
REDCHEQHEN Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 You can fly with the Stockton Fed in the Great Yorkshire Amal and you can fly in the Darlington Fed in the Durham Combine where i live but i believe that Lanarshire Fed has a rule which says that you are not allowed to be a member of another Fed. Thats also two different organisations - flying under NEHU and RPRA rules There's many members in the NEHU fly in more than one club - in different feds but within the same organisation
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i have no desire to join south lanarkshire fed even although its well run i am happy in lanarkshire fed still i await your law of the land example where lanarkshire rule of no dual membership is illegal
jimmy white Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 with all due respect jimmy lanarkshire fed made the rule before the national lottery started and i sure the rpra changed a rule to allow there members to apply for a grant awards for all don't you give them a copy of your club constituion as lanarkshire fed have never had a grant the need not answer to awards for all i realize what you saying bart , and with the greatest respect for yourself i am merely showing the situation via lottery grants "awards for ALL ",,, these awards in some clubs/feds /unions/ are in fact ,in some cases illegal,,,and ,if found to be illegal can result in some serious consequencies in some circles [im not aiming at lanarkshire fed personally] im aiming at the rules of " awards for ALL" for any pigeon organization that it could effect,
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i have no desire to join south lanarkshire fed even although its well run i am happy in lanarkshire fed still i await your law of the land example where lanarkshire rule of no dual membership is illegal Have you been drinking Bart lad?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have already explained that the individuals "rights of freedom of association" are protected in law.
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i realize what you saying bart , and with the greatest respect for yourself i am merely showing the situation via lottery grants "awards for ALL ",,, these awards in some clubs/feds /unions/ are in fact ,in some cases illegal,,,and ,if found to be illegal can result in some serious consequencies in some circles [im not aiming at lanarkshire fed personally] im aiming at the rules of " awards for ALL" for any pigeon organization that it could effect, Funnily enough Jimmy "Awards for all" are not whats important here, they are merely obeying the law. They can not be seen to be giving cash to any club or other organisation whose rules are in breach of the law. Any complaint to them would surely be investigated and thats whats worries "me"
HOMER49 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Your missing the point here Bart , what if a member of Carluke club say, decided to join Kirkfieldbank, what would happen then? Hi Hope you are feeling better ? Kirkfieldbank would not let me thats homer 49 in reason outside there boundries yet I am in the district of South Lanarkshire and they have received the lottery grant Cheers Homer 49
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Have you been drinking Bart lad?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have already explained that the individuals "rights of freedom of association" are protected in law. no off the drink since friday can you explain again what rights of freedom of association are again just so i can try understand you "me"
Guest bigda Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Hi Hope you are feeling better ? Kirkfieldbank would not let me thats homer 49 in reason outside there boundries yet I am in the district of South Lanarkshire and they have received the lottery grant Cheers Homer 49 looking through my crystall ball can see big changes come about in kirkfeildbank, and south lanarkshire ;D ;D what
Guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i have no desire to join south lanarkshire fed even although its well run i am happy in lanarkshire fed still i await your law of the land example where lanarkshire rule of no dual membership is illegal It all comes down to discrimination bart,which in this day and age is not on.If someone was willing to risk putting up the moneys to fight this legally,well i think there would have a very strong chance they would succeed in winning the case.I would also suggest the SHU/SNFC case could be fought on similar grounds of discrimination.
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