can you fly in two feds

[hotrod]

the rule for that is not challenge as  to  divided the national any further,  as  members had paid dues before the other one was set up,  and there was not a list drawn up  of  members at that time, but i think there are rules in place now to new members to  have  only one  union but  it must be a easier way  to combine back into one  now, as the  management has changed,  and  should not hold the same  threat as it once did in there eyes  so the excuses are wearing thinner by the year some want duel membership,  if the snfc  had done that i  AM afraid the snrpc would have folded, as the members are never in favour of paying any more than one union, just my opinion as to what,   pigeon fanciers are like

WHO HAS INSTALLED THIS RULE BIGDA? the rule for new members can only have one union. is it the SHU OR LANARKSHIRE FED?   THIS A DIABOLICAL RULE AND DEFFINATELY AGAINTS THE LAW .

 

 

[frank-123]

as for the rule can anybody tell me what good would come of being in two feds not for your own gain but for the survival of the fed

 

if the rule was done away with south lanarkshire fed hold an open race so  a lot of lanarkshire members jumps ship to south lanarkshire that day leaving lanarkshire to go down the road with an empty trailer where south lanarkshire would not have enough room to take all the birds

 

the following week a south lanarkshire members jumps ship to lanarkshire's open race they never raced one race all season but come the money race one south lanarkshire member  takes first prize and all the money and don't forget south lanarkshire would be down the road empty

 

you would have people paying both fed subscriptions but how would they be able to plan ahead there transporter might be overfull or half empty

 

[hotrod]

frank we have members of renfrew and glasgow feds and they send to the two most weeks , just gives them two races each week thats not to be knocked , i could fly in two feds as well , but choose to stick to the one  as fed racing does'nt bother me, until the later on races when my birds are ready to compete.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Good points Bart, and it did happen in Lanarkshire with some of the members that did retain Dual membership, they use to only fly when it was the open races that Lanarkshire had big Prizemoney and a very successful pool money race.

 

But time moves on as they say.

[hotrod]

frank we have members of renfrew and glasgow feds and they send to the two most weeks , just gives them two races each week thats not to be knocked , i could fly in two feds as well , but choose to stick to the one  as fed racing does'nt bother me, until the later on races when my birds are ready to compete.

[Roland]

that's a bit like in olden times, if the club say your a witch well a witch is  what  you are  and no one will be able to say different, thats the  bit the law kept unto its self incase the  poor wanted to join the  cigar club and mix ;D ;D ;D

 

All how they use to try 'Witches'. Chuck tem in a pond.... If they drowned, then they weren't Witches.... But if they swam.... Then they were Witches! Simple really.

Any way, what is one Fed is South, the other North - like this ways here. Besides in two clubs of North Rd but in two different Feds.

Indeed I believe Green Wall and Hunt fly in at least two different fed, if not three or more.

[Guest KING BILLY]

what i would like to no how many fly thare full fed program never mind can you be a member of 2 feds this is whare the prob is get to 250ml and the transporters starts to emptey so if your in 2 feds you only want the open races to suiet yourselfs and not the feds you surport thats how the price of the birds go up

[hotrod]

what i would like to no how many fly thare full fed program never mind can you be a member of 2 feds this is whare the prob is get to 250ml and the transporters starts to emptey so if your in 2 feds you only want the open races to suiet yourselfs and not the feds you surport thats how the price of the birds go up

AS far as im concerned the racing is only starting at 250 miles billy ,i know were your coming from most or half have no birds left at 250 or very little left and chuck it and concentrate on their youngsters.

 

[nagid]

this south lanarkshire-lanarkshire thing should be done away with in my opinion lets have an amal and all race together one big entry would lead to greater racing and better competion.why send two transporters to the same place.that makes no sence to me.just my thoughts

[Guest bigda]

hotrod if the snfc allowed  dual  member ship in your honest opinion who would gain from this in the long run,    I  had  known guys that  wanted this but they didnt realise that it comes with a  price, as  the big money is in the snfc,  then that would be the fanciers choice

and your  union would  be going to the races or your opens with  half the amount you have the now,  so you are at the mercy of the national and they can  drop the bird-age and the union costs if they wanted to,  recoup  your members   and if the credit crunch  bites  1,000

members against 400  will  decide it, sorry to go from the topic but the lanarkshire has the same pulling power at present

[Guest]

this south lanarkshire-lanarkshire thing should be done away with in my opinion lets have an amal and all race together one big entry would lead to greater racing and better competion.why send two transporters to the same place.that makes no sence to me.just my thoughts

 

In an ideal world its a great idea mate,but the stumbling block is the age old problem of RPRA/SHU.

 

[jock3]

vince is that what caused the break ?  away back then

[hotrod]

hotrod if the snfc allowed  dual  member ship in your honest opinion who would gain from this in the long run,    I  had  known guys that  wanted this but they didnt realise that it comes with a  price, as  the big money is in the snfc,  then that would be the fanciers choice

and your  union would  be going to the races or your opens with  half the amount you have the now,  so you are at the mercy of the national and they can  drop the bird-age and the union costs if they wanted to,  recoup  your members   and if the credit crunch  bites  1,000

members against 400  will  decide it, sorry to go from the topic but the lanarkshire has the same pulling power at present

yes the BIG money is with the snfc ,i cant argue with that but money isnt everything mate, pro rata to birdage the prize money and pools with the snrpc is either on par or greater than the snfc , (off topic i know) AS far as im concerned if someone had the ball$ to take (the only one union  rule) to court they would win , with freedom of choice act.BUT AS FRANKDOOMAN HAS SAID ITS BETTER TO KEEP COURTS /LAWYERS OUT OF OUR GAME  THATS WHY NO ONE HAS .

 

[Guest bigda]

if it did get voted in,  do you not think the srpc would be the losers in the long run, as a choice would have to be made

sooner  rather  than latter with costs been the main  thing  

[Guest]

vince is that what caused the break ?  away back then

 

I don't know that one mate,i believe in happened around 1981 and that it was an issue about boundaries.But could not be 100% on that one,there might be other members on this forum that could explain it.

 

[jock3]

cheers

[me]

 

I think we have had this discussion before. In addition to the right of freedom of association, individuals also have the right not to associate with certain people. That principle can be seen in the link which Bart posted:-

 

2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights (freedom of association) other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

 

There isn’t any law which forces anyone to associate with known troublemakers, nor are they forced by law to allow them into their social circle.

 

Having said that, I don't know why the Lanarkshire rule came about, or what its purpose was. It may well fall into an area sanctioned by paragraph 2.

 

I remember the last discussion as well Bruno lad and you did the the same the last time, tried to turn the meaning of the act on its head!!

 

Are you seriously trying to suggest that if a long standing hard working member of Carluke club say, decided to join a SL fed club because he did not want to race his birds down the west coast route as was the case for the last few years, The club would be within their rights to expel him from the club and this did not constitute a restriction of his right to freedom of association under the act

 

 

[me]

vince is that what caused the break ?  away back then

 

If you are talking about the creation of the SL Fed, it was not an aggro thing really. Some of the SL Lanarkshire guys felt their birds were being dragged over the top(especially young birds) by the large numbers heading for central lanarkshire. There was no great falling out that I remember.

 

 

[Guest bigda]

nope,  he just has  given up his, right to comply fully with the club rules.

[hotrod]

if it did get voted in,  do you not think the srpc would be the losers in the long run, as a choice would have to be made

sooner  rather  than latter with costs been the main  thing  

i honestly think if it was passed the two would be back together in 2/3 years its not the snfc thats the problem its the shu thing , most of us will/can never go back to THEM no way.

 

 

[jimmy white]

 

Hi

Jimmy there is a child sex offender who has applied to join our club and the parents sometimes bring there children

According to you we must let him in ABSOLUTE BULL

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

"according to me, you must let them in",, no blinken way, > > >, please get your facts right > > >

a registered child sex offender is  not recognized as "part of the community " by  law,,[they come under the law, and are supervised by the law], > > >, off course you can refuse them into your club ,and with dam good reason,too  >  >  

 

    the lottery" awards for all" , are   for members of  the    "community" ,,,,,thats what im saying , and thats what the" awards for all"  rules say,,,,,,and if rules for" awards for all"  are broken   they have the power to retreive their grant, or assets to the value,, ,,,,read all,, it takes time,, but read all. as i said b4 this is not aimed at lanarkshire its aimed at all clubs/feds/ unions ,,,,

 

,,even gilmeron h,c [which it  was aiming at >: >(] refusing an twelve year old boy,,membership , born in gilmerton ,father born in gilmerton, grandfather born in gilmerton, pillars of society,,the worst part being, the secy saying to the lads dad "sorry we couldnt get a seconder" when infact that same secy never even proposed [no one proposed] no reason given,,,this is breaking " awards  for all rules" ,, please think on that one homer, sorry to sound annoyed but i am annoyed ,,,,

luckily the lad , applied to another club, same fed, and was welcomed with open arms ,,,unanimously , happiest lad in the world now,  ,, this is what the "awards for all "   is for, help and , encouragement , which this club showed  in great style ,,,,,made a very unhappy laddie,, very happy, and i for one would applaude this club for this  

 

http://www.awardsforall.org.uk/scotland/index.html

[HOMER49]

 

If you are talking about the creation of the SL Fed, it was not an aggro thing really. Some of the SL Lanarkshire guys felt their birds were being dragged over the top(especially young birds) by the large numbers heading for central lanarkshire. There was no great falling out that I remember.

 

 

Hi

By your comments above I take it you (me) attended the meetings regarding the formation of

South Lanarkshire fed ?

It was not the drag over the top as you (me) put it and homer 49 should know for HE WAS THERE

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[HOMER49]

 

"according to me, you must let them in",, no blinken way, > > >, please get your facts right > > >

a registered child sex offender is  not recognized as "part of the community " by  law,,[they come under the law, and are supervised by the law], > > >, off course you can refuse them into your club ,and with dam good reason,too  >  >  

 

    the lottery" awards for all" , are   for members of  the    "community" ,,,,,thats what im saying , and thats what the" awards for all"  rules say,,,,,,and if rules for" awards for all"  are broken   they have the power to retreive their grant, or assets to the value,, ,,,,read all,, it takes time,, but read all. as i said b4 this is not aimed at lanarkshire its aimed at all clubs/feds/ unions ,,,,

 

,,even gilmeron h,c [which it  was aiming at >: >(] refusing an twelve year old boy,,membership , born in gilmerton ,father born in gilmerton, grandfather born in gilmerton, pillars of society,,the worst part being, the secy saying to the lads dad "sorry we couldnt get a seconder" when infact that same secy never even proposed [no one proposed] no reason given,,,this is breaking " awards  for all rules" ,, please think on that one homer, sorry to sound annoyed but i am annoyed ,,,,

luckily the lad , applied to another club, same fed, and was welcomed with open arms ,,,unanimously , happiest lad in the world now,  ,, this is what the "awards for all "   is for, help and , encouragement , which this club showed  in great style ,,,,,made a very unhappy laddie,, very happy, and i for one would applaude this club for this  

 

http://www.awardsforall.org.uk/scotland/index.html

 

Hi Jimmy

Celtic Tiger 1 was accepted into Carluke club and paid his dues. When his L/F dues were sent in these were returned

as CT1 is still a member of South Lanarkshire Fed. If he wished he could remain a non flying member of Carluke but Lanarkshire

will NOT accept his pigeons for flying. On hearing this his comments were fukc Lanarkshire and fukc Carluke

We the members of Carluke thought it wise to return his fees

If a member of Carluke joined another fed THIS WOULD NOT TERMINATE HIS MEMBERSHIP OF CARLUKE as long as he/she paid there fees

but they would not have there pigeons transported by Lanarkshire

It was Carluke Flying Club that was awarded a grant not L/F

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

[Guest]

 

Hi

By your comments above I take it you (me) attended the meetings regarding the formation of

South Lanarkshire fed ?

It was not the drag over the top as you (me) put it and homer 49 should know for HE WAS THERE

Cheers

Homer 49

 

Hi Homer49 what were the reasons for the split.???????????????????????????????As you are old enough to remember. ;D ;D ;D